147 responses to “Is Donald Trump making America masculine again?”

1. 

   AnnaMS

   February 3, 2017 at 7:54 am

   The thing is America isn’t trying to keep it’s nation those of ‘American descent’. So whatever France or Israel or the founding fathers, or anybody else has ever done, it’s not what America is doing now or what America brags about doing. Have people in the past perhaps tried to do that and to some people today want to do that again? Absolutely, but that hasn’t been America’s approach to immigration in general and it isn’t what we announce from the Statue of Liberty. I do not think the founding fathers were fully terrible people, but I do think how they thought about race and how they treated non-whites should be addressed and acknowledged. I also think that if we place the making of America squarely at the feet of Anglo-Celtic people without giving credit to the unrecognized free labor that played a large role, we’re deceiving ourselves. If you really think slavery had nothing to do with building America, than I have a bridge to sell you. Also, if your goal is to keep a white majority and limiting non-white immigration isn’t going to do that, than I’m not sure why you’re advocating for that.

   As for Jesus on immigration, check out Leviticus 19:34. Obviously, I am not saying we have to let anybody and everybody in, do away with our vetting system, and just have an open borders policy. But Jesus was very clear that the Israelites and their ancestors had been foreigners before (as, I might add, have our’s), and He expected the foreigners to be treated as the Israelites treated each other.

   I’ve also been thinking of Nathan and David recently. Nathan didn’t let David’s sin go because he was making Israel great again, or because other people had done the same thing, or because God could still use him, or because narcissism is the price to pay for greatness (really?), or because it was only one person and we have to think of the majority, or because he was just glad to be under David after living under Saul, or any of the other myriad of excuses I’ve heard for Trump. No, he firmly rebuked David’s sin and God Himself was very displeased (you think sacrificing a few people for what the people on top want is a Biblical concept???) That is how I am arguing we should treat Trump. Absolutely respect his position, and maybe even be glad that he beat Hillary (I know I am). We can even be happy with the policy decisions he has made so far that we agree with. For me personally, I’m glad to see Obamacare being rolled back, no longer paying for overseas abortions, and I’m highly impressed with the choice of Neil Gorsuch although that has Pence written all over it. That’s all and good, and Nathan probably had his own reasons for being glad David was king. But let’s not only do that.

2. 

   biblicalgenderroles

   February 3, 2017 at 5:12 pm

   AnnaMS,

   I fully agree with you that modern American as of 1965 changed its philosophy of immigration from that of quotas which favored more immigration from white European nation to having no ethnic quotas whatsoever. Now that the tooth paste is out the tube so to speak – there is no going back.

   So, to answer this question you had:

   “Also, if your goal is to keep a white majority and limiting non-white immigration isn’t going to do that, than I’m not sure why you’re advocating for that.”

   Let me try and explain my positions again. I think the old goal of ethnic quotas that favored the most immigrants coming in from white European nations was right and good for this nation. But since we removed those quotas and our culture massively changed as a result of that along with influences from feminism, multiculturalism, liberalism and globalism there is no going back. So, keeping American a white majority nation is NOT a goal I would push for simply because of the political reality of our nation as it stands today.

   But what one thing I am advocating for is lower immigration across the board since we cannot have quotas anymore. When the Statue of Liberty stated “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore” did you notice it did not say anything about giving these people free food, housing and health care? Do you know that the requirements for people coming in at Ellis Island were that they had to have been sponsored by an American family here (most of the time relatives) and had to show proof they were going to have a job and place to stay? If they could not, they sent them right back on a ship to their country of origin.

   Today, except for a small percentage of immigrants who work in high tech or medical fields, most immigrants who are legal cost more than they contribute. If they are legal then their wages are so low that they get food stamps, free housing and medical care. Another problem with immigration today is there is little assimilation amongst these groups.

   Another thing I am advocating for in regard to immigration is that we should indeed be able to close our border to nations where terrorism is higher and we have much higher chance of getting terrorists hiding with refugees.

   So, neither one of these is about keeping a white majority in America – that ship has sailed (and as I pointed out we will pay the price for it in the next 50 years or so). But they are about lowering immigration as a whole (because of the burden it is on our nation because of our social welfare net that must be given to all) and because of the lack of assimilation because our liberal society does not force immigrants to assimilate anymore.

   I will address Jesus’s immigration plan in a separate comment.

3. 

   biblicalgenderroles

   February 3, 2017 at 5:28 pm

   AnnaMS,

   Your Statement:
   “As for Jesus on immigration, check out Leviticus 19:34. Obviously, I am not saying we have to let anybody and everybody in, do away with our vetting system, and just have an open borders policy. But Jesus was very clear that the Israelites and their ancestors had been foreigners before (as, I might add, have our’s), and He expected the foreigners to be treated as the Israelites treated each other.”

   You are incorrect in your interpretation of that passage.

   “But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.”

   Leviticus 19:34 is referring to foreigners who had converted to Judaism (Ruth would be a perfect example as well as Uriah the Hittite). Foreigners who converted to Judaism and joined Israel were to be given equal rights with natural born Jews. However, foreigners who did resided in Israel but were not converts to Judaism did not receive the same protections.

   This is a Christian site that deals with this subject well:

   “From the foregoing texts we can conclude that in the ancient biblical world, countries had borders that were protected and respected, and that foreigners who wanted to reside in another country had to obtain some sort of permission in order to be considered an alien with certain rights and privileges. The delineation between the “alien” or “stranger” (ger) and the foreigner (nekhar or zar) in biblical law is stark indeed. The ger in Israelite society, for instance, could receive social benefits such as the right to glean in the fields (Leviticus 19:9-10; Deuteronomy 24:19-22) and they could receive resources from the tithes (Deuteronomy 26:12-13). In legal matters, “there shall be one statute for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you, a statute forever throughout your generations. You and the sojourner shall be alike before the LORD. One law and one rule shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you” (Numbers 15:15-16). In the area of employment, the ger and citizen were to be paid alike (Deuteronomy 24:14-15). In all these cases, no such provision is extended to the nekhar or zar. In a sense, the ger were not just aliens to whom social and legal protections were offered, but were also considered converts, and thus could participate in the religious life of the community, e.g. celebrate Passover (Exodus 12:13) and observe Yom Kippur, the day of atonement (Leviticus 16:29-30). They were, moreover, expected to keep dietary and holiness laws (Leviticus 17:8-9 & 10-12). It is well known that within Israelite society, money was not to be lent with interest, but one could loan at interest to a foreigner (nekhar). These passages from the Law make plain that aliens or strangers received all the benefits and protection of a citizen, whereas the foreigner (nekhar) did not. It is wrong, therefore, to confuse these two categories of foreigners and then to use passages regarding the ger as if they were relevant to illegal immigrants of today.”

   http://cis.org/bible-use-and-abuse-immigration

   So how does this relate to our immigration issues today? It means that if a foreigner becomes an American citizen we should treat them the same as those born in this country. It does not mean we must give foreigners who are not citizens the same rights, privileges and resources that we give to our citizens. God did not require this from Israel nor are we required to do this in our country today.

4. 

   biblicalgenderroles

   February 3, 2017 at 6:12 pm

   AnnaMS,

   Your Statement:

   “I’ve also been thinking of Nathan and David recently. Nathan didn’t let David’s sin go because he was making Israel great again, or because other people had done the same thing, or because God could still use him, or because narcissism is the price to pay for greatness (really?), or because it was only one person and we have to think of the majority, or because he was just glad to be under David after living under Saul, or any of the other myriad of excuses I’ve heard for Trump.”

   I have never said you and the myriads of others who want to call out Donald Trump for his moral failures can’t do that. Go ahead. But you know what the difference is between the Nathan and King David incident and Donald Trump? Our nation is not a theocracy as I am reminded in emails every week by my detractors. Israel was. There was absolutely no separation between the Church and State in Israel and the law of God served as the Constitution for Israel. So David’s actions were a clear violation of Israel’s constitution and he was rightly confronted for it.

   I have and many other Christians have acknowledged Donald Trump’s past sins. I would even acknowledge that it is likely he may do some things while in office that I as a Christian do not approve of. But in voting for Trump I did vote for the Pastor of my church, or the King of a theocracy. No I voted for the man whom I thought would clean up the government, tighten our immigration laws and standards, protect us from terrorism and protect our economy. In my opinion – none of the other candidates would have made as sweeping changes as this man will.

   And going back to the theme of this post. While I do not think Donald Trump is the epitomy of Biblical masculinity and he fails that standard in many ways – I do think that in his strength and determination and his firmness to do what he said he would do there is something to be respected. From what I have gathered here in the course of our conversation is you that while you may support some of his polices – you think there is nothing in the man himself to be respected or admired. You think he is a bully, I think he is strong leader. On that we will have to agree to disagree.

   I think a lot of this goes back to the fact that many Christians(I am guessing you are included here) did not vote for Donald Trump in the primaries. They voted for someone else they considered to be a more “moral” Republican primary candidate. Some Christians I know even sat out this election because they could not in good conscious vote for either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.

   But for me it was easy to vote for Trump in the primaries and I was supportive of him pretty much from the time he announced. For me it was the same reason that I love some actors acting in movies yet totally disagree with what they do in their personal lives. I was voting for a man to fix my government, not a man to be the Pastor of my church. I would tell my friends who disagreed with me all the time – if you had a choice between a Christian plumber who was known for not getting the job done right and a unChristian womanizing plumber who cusses and swears but does the best job in town which one would you hire if your basement was backed up due to your pipes bursting?

   In other words, it comes down to person and function. Some people cannot separate the person from their function. So for some Christians they literally would hire the Christian plumber who does not know what he is doing and he may do actually mess their plumbing up over the non-Christian plumber because they cannot separate the person from the function. This is actually something that women struggle with more than men because men can separate people from their function far easier than women can.

   So for me – Donald Trump is that unsaved plumber who cusses swears and womanizes but I need the best to fix my plumbing.

   We needed a man who would come in an breakup the Washington establishment. We needed a President who would hear from the thousands of people who had lost manufacturing jobs over the last few decades and stand up to the globalists in both parties. We needed a man who would finally listen to us on immigration(unlike George W. Bush and Obama). We needed a President who for the first time in many decades would put this nation first and stop selling us out to the global community.

5. 

   AnnaMS

   February 3, 2017 at 8:00 pm

   I think that the cultural problems we often have with lower-class citizens (whether white or non-white) comes from government dependence, some laziness, and some systemic racism (along with other causes I’m sure). However, these are not the fault of immigration. People whose families have lived in this country for a long time wind up in the same traps. That’s part of why I’m hoping that Carson will do good work at the HUD. Of course I wish he hadn’t said he wasn’t qualified to take a cabinet position AFTER running for President and before actually taking one. If we prevent immigration but don’t clean up our welfare system, these problems are going to last. Fixing the welfare state is something we agree on.

   Obviously if we are welcoming immigrants into our country as citizens….they are in fact citizens and have become Americans (which has not been synonymous with Anglo-Celtic for quite some time and should have never been that way from the very beginning if we hadn’t had our terrible 3/5 strategy). If people are here temporarily on visas, obviously they won’t have the right to vote and may have certain job or other restrictions depending on their visa, but they should be treated as humans and not second-class people and there is always the potential for them to decide they have something to offer America and want to take full citizenship. My sister-in-law is one such person who came to America on a student visa and fell in love with my brother. They are married and currently living overseas (he has a work visa) while they get her paperwork in order. Incidentally, this is the only brother I have so their children (currently pregnant with their first) will carry on my dad’s family name (German, but frequently adjusted phonetically) but it will not be on white skin. My parents are overjoyed that they found each other and incredibly happy to welcome another grandchild to the family. The fact the baby will be half-Asian is not something that keeps them up at night. Obviously, this is something for you to think about on your own, but have you considered the possibility that one of your sons might marry a non-white woman?

6. 

   AnnaMS

   February 3, 2017 at 8:09 pm

   Yes, David’s actions did violate Israelite laws. Do you think that Trump hiring illegal immigrants and garnishing their wages somehow isn’t? This isn’t something unique to David. Trump was every bit as much a lawbreaker as David. Theocracy has nothing to do with it.

   I have a hard time believing that you have in fact spoken out against Trump’s sins considering the fact that even though they have been mentioned on this blog before hand (not to mention readily available online), you still were completely unaware of them. His issues go deeper than that he cheated on his ex-wife. Obviously as Christians, we have a legitimate problem with that. But Trump has broken actual laws of this country and not just moral laws from the Bible. For someone who swears to uphold the Constitution, that might be something to consider.

   I’ve heard the “President not a plumber” argument multiple times, most frequently from my grandfather whom I love dearly. Obviously there is a difference between the two. But it is undeniable that a President has more influence than a plumber does. Someone is far more likely to do something because a President did it than that a plumber did it. This is one point that I agreed with Roosh V on. Although obviously he was excited about the things that would become more common in America, whereas I was not. But even he realizes that plumbers and Presidents are apples and oranges. A plumber doesn’t represent our country. Trump does. I’m not sure that refusing to pay workers is how we want our country represented. Actually, scratch that. I’m quite sure it’s NOT how we want it represented. Thankfully Trump’s generally seen as a laughingstock, although that comes with it’s own problems as well.

7. 

   biblicalgenderroles

   February 4, 2017 at 12:51 am

   AnnaMS,

   Your Statement:

   “Obviously if we are welcoming immigrants into our country as citizens….they are in fact citizens and have become Americans (which has not been synonymous with Anglo-Celtic for quite some time and should have never been that way from the very beginning if we hadn’t had our terrible 3/5 strategy). If people are here temporarily on visas, obviously they won’t have the right to vote and may have certain job or other restrictions depending on their visa, but they should be treated as humans and not second-class people and there is always the potential for them to decide they have something to offer America and want to take full citizenship.”

   Being an immigrant and becoming a citizen are two completely different things. A person can be a permanent resident and not a citizen. Nothing grants the right to residents of our nation to become citizens. It is our decision as a nation what immigrants we allow into our country and whether we allow those immigrants to become citizens.

   On the subject of your reference to the 3/5th strategy clause of the Constitution.

   “Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.”

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Fifths_Compromise

   What you may not know is the 3/5th compromise was at the request of the Northern Colonies that had fewer slaves with the Southern Colonies that had substantially more slaves. Do you know that the southern states wanted to count slaves as full persons for the purpose of representation in Congress?

   The northern colonies argued that since slaves were not free and could not vote and therefore should not be counted as the population for representation in congress. The 3/5th compromise was originally meant as a way of counting representation for congress. Notice the use of the phrase “free persons” and the “other persons”. So, in the very clause they were acknowledging the personhood of slaves. But the slaves were persons that were property so they did not have the same rights as free persons. They were not called “three fifths of a person” as is ignorantly portrayed today. It was simply when counting the population of states to assign representatives they were counted as three fifths of a person for the census only.

   It was in the Dred Scott Case (1857) that the “free persons” part of that clause was used along with an appeal to English common law that said that Africans were considered property:

   “And in no nation was this opinion more firmly fixed or more uniformly acted upon than by the English Government and English people. They not only seized them on the coast of Africa, and sold them or held them in slavery for their own use; but they took them as ordinary articles of merchandise to every country where they could make a profit on them, and were far more extensively engaged in this commerce than any other nation in the world.
   The opinion thus entertained and acted upon in England was naturally impressed upon the colonies they founded on this side of the Atlantic. And, accordingly, a negro of the African race was regarded by them as an article of property, and held, and bought and sold as such, in every one of the thirteen colonies which united in the Declaration of Independence, and afterwards formed the Constitution of the United States.”

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford

   So, there is no doubt the slaves were counted as property. There is also no doubt from other writings of the time that they were considered an inferior race of humanity – but they were still considered persons.

   This phrase you used “they should be treated as humans and not second-class people” shows you that you believe if certain people have less rights or less freedom based on their gender, race or any other factor then they are not being treated as human. It is understandable because you base your concept of humanity on everyone having equal rights. If one set of human beings has less rights than another you believe they are being treated as less than human. This is a common false belief in American culture.

   The Bible does not restrict humanity to people having equal rights. The Bible actually recognizes differences in rights between men and women, between Israelite citizens and foreign residents who did not convert to Judaism and between free persons and slaves. It recognizes the concept of human property:

   “45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. 46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.”

   Leviticus 25:45-46 (KJV)

   Now as I have explained in my article on “Why Christians should not be ashamed of slavery in the Bible” I do believe that the enslavement of the African people was wrong and immoral. God’s moral law while allowing for the concept of slavery and human property – does not allow people to be kidnapped and enslaved based on their race. It also afforded human property(slaves) basic human rights. If they were physically abused they had to be freed. Masters were told to treat their slaves well knowing they had a heavenly master. On both counts the English, Americans and other European countries that kidnapped slaves violated God’s law regarding the practice of slavery.

   The Bible teaches that we must respect certain basic human rights – ironically the rights of a slave in God’s law actually form the basis for minimum human rights under God’s law. It was from there up that people had more rights. So, in the Scriptures you really had four social classes. The first social class was that of free men. The second social class was that of free women. The third social class was that of indentured servants and the fourth class was that of slaves (which included prisoners of war and foreigners who were purchased).

   Now in early America except for the concept of an indentured servant the classes of persons outlined in the Scripture are were actually the same. We had free men, free women and slaves. Again, as I conceded earlier the way America and other European countries took the Africans as slaves was a violation of God’s law. I would have fully supported the abolitionist movement in America as the slaves were essentially kidnap victims.

   My point is this. As far as “second class citizens” goes – the concept is completely consistent with Scripture. Free men who are citizens of a nation have the most rights. They are first class in the social order. Then free women who are citizens of a nation have less rights then free male citizens. So technically women were second class in the social order. Non-citizen residents have the least rights – so they would be third class in the social order. Now non-citizens would certainly have more rights than slaves but non-citizen residents never have the same rights as citizens.

   Now could the United States government decide to give non-citizen residents completely equal rights with citizens? Sure, it could. But as of right now according to our laws non-citizens do not have equal rights with American citizens nor do non-resident citizens have the right to become US citizens.

8. 

   biblicalgenderroles

   February 4, 2017 at 2:44 am

   AnnaMS,

   Your Statement:

   “My sister-in-law is one such person who came to America on a student visa and fell in love with my brother. They are married and currently living overseas (he has a work visa) while they get her paperwork in order. Incidentally, this is the only brother I have so their children (currently pregnant with their first) will carry on my dad’s family name (German, but frequently adjusted phonetically) but it will not be on white skin. My parents are overjoyed that they found each other and incredibly happy to welcome another grandchild to the family. The fact the baby will be half-Asian is not something that keeps them up at night. Obviously, this is something for you to think about on your own, but have you considered the possibility that one of your sons might marry a non-white woman?”

   Yes, I have thought about the fact that one of my sons might marry a non-white woman. Is that my preference for them or for my daughter? No. Why? Because I think whether it be one’s faith, one’s culture, one’s political beliefs or one’s denominational beliefs we as Christians should seek to have as few hindrances to unity in marriage as we can. Marrying someone who was raised in a different denomination is a hindrance to unity that must be overcome. Marrying a person raised in different political persuasion is a hindrance to unity that must be overcome. Marrying a person from a different racial or cultural background is a hindrance to unity that must be overcome.

   But would I tell my child that I would not bless their marriage simply on the grounds of race or cultural background? No I would not and it does not keep me up at night either to think of the possibility. And I would equally love and treat a non-white person as part of my family. You see it is possible to have racial preferences both for yourself and your children but accept the fact they may choose differently. To me the most important thing is that my children marry a Christian. Everything else, although it may be important to me is not as important as that. But even if they did not marry a Christian – I would still show the love of Christ to that non-Christian person and equally love my grandchildren from that person.

   And just one more thing. You mention here “white skin”. I am assuming as a nurse with training in the human biology that you understand there is more differences between races than just skin color, right? For instance, it is a well-known fact that different races are more or less susceptible to different diseases. Our bones are different including our facial bones. You know that forensic anthropologists are trained to identify from skeletal remains alone what gender a person was, how old they were and yes what race they were. They can even tell if a person is mixed race and identify the features of the various races. The way our eyes are spaced, our noses and our mouths all come back to our races. So, when we prefer someone of the same race it is about far more than just skin color. We see in that person both on a conscious level and an unconscious level a closer genetic compatibility. It is for this reason that people naturally gravitate toward their own race whether it be in relationships, churches or neighborhoods.

   But the fact that organs and blood are interchangeable between races confirms the fact that we are all equally human as the Bible states:

   “24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;”

   Acts 17:24-26 (KJV)

   I know that there are many Americans like you that find it offensive that any person in our modern and enlightened age thinks race matters at all. It is simply cosmetic after all, right? Yet while we share a common humanity we can see very distinct cultures and sub cultures that have been built around the world by the various races.

   We see it in movies and TV shows all the time and it reflects the reality of how we are built as human beings. Black parents preferring their child marrying a black person, white parents preferring their children marry a white person, Arab parents preferring their child marry an Arab person, Jewish people preferring their child marry a Jewish person, Indian parents preferring their child marry an Indian person and Chinese parents preferring their child marry a Chinese person.

   We also see these same kinds of preferences regarding the racial makeup of countries. The Chinese prefer to keep a Chinese majority, the Japanese a Japanese majority. And yes, few white people in America who are honest with themselves want to see their race continue to shrink as a percentage of the population. Of course, there are the self-haters like the professor who called for white genocide in America.
   But the behavior of having racial preferences or preferring one’s race to be the majority in one’s nation is not sinful in and of itself. It is part of what it means to be human. And if you are going to say racial preferences are part of our sinful human nature (as opposed to our God given human nature) I invite you to back that up with Scripture because you can’t.

   But again, as I stated for various reasons I do not believe it is possible to keep the white race the majority in this nation except for if we had a major revival in this nation and feminism was defeated and white women had a lot more children than they are having. The change is coming and we will have to see where our nation is in the next 50 years.

   I think as far as the political landscape goes – whites as a coalition will only have political power enough to win Presidential elections for the next decade or two at the most. Eventually the coalition of Hispanics, Blacks, Asians and Arabs will far outnumber white Americans and they will take over the political landscape of America and complete Barack Obama’s dream of fundamentally transforming America into a socialist secular nation where private property rights will slowly erode, first amendment rights will slowly erode and second amendments rights will slowly erode.

   It is at that point that most likely we will have the second American civil war.

9. 

   biblicalgenderroles

   February 4, 2017 at 4:05 am

   AnnaMS,

   Your Statement:

   “I have a hard time believing that you have in fact spoken out against Trump’s sins considering the fact that even though they have been mentioned on this blog before hand (not to mention readily available online), you still were completely unaware of them. His issues go deeper than that he cheated on his ex-wife. Obviously as Christians, we have a legitimate problem with that. But Trump has broken actual laws of this country and not just moral laws from the Bible. For someone who swears to uphold the Constitution, that might be something to consider.”

   I don’t have to have a list of all the things Donald Trump has done wrong in his life or business or whether it broke the laws of God or the laws of the United States. I have covered all these with the statements “I do not agree with all the things Donald Trump has done wrong in life” Whether I know them all or not is irrelevant.

   Your Statement:
   “I’ve heard the “President not a plumber” argument multiple times, most frequently from my grandfather whom I love dearly. Obviously there is a difference between the two. But it is undeniable that a President has more influence than a plumber does. Someone is far more likely to do something because a President did it than that a plumber did it.”

   I think you meant to say “President not a Pastor” argument. Yes a President has more influence than a plumber I agree. But that influence is in a variety of areas. A president influences by his personal character, but also by his tenacity and toughness. If he displays weakness in any area – the nation will be exposed in that area. With each President we have had we had strengths and weaknesses.

   Here is how I would rate the Presidents we have had for the last few decades:
   Ronald Reagan – generally honest and trustworthy, a good family man
   George H Bush – generally honest and trustworthy, a good family man
   Bill Clinton – a liar, a crook and a womanizer(closet racist) while publicly appealing to blacks
   George W Bush – generally honest and trustworthy, a good family man
   Barack Obama – generally honest and trustworthy, a good family man
   Donald Trump – a liar, a crook and a womanizer(closet racist) while publicly appealing to blacks

   So yes as a family man and in his personal life I rate Bill Clinton(and Hillary if she would have won) and Donald Trump in a very similar category. If there was a more moral version of Donald Trump in the primaries I would have voted for him. But Donald Trump was the only Nationalist/Protectionist candidate we had and I and many millions of other Americans were tired of watching this nation give away its strength to other nations. I liked Ted Cruz’s character better than Trumps – but Cruz was still a globalist in many ways. He also had almost no chance to win because if you think Donald Trump is not likeable – Ted Cruz was a less likeable candidate than him in the general election. I truly believed only Donald Trump could attract Democrats and Independents and Cruz would have struggled there.

   Many Christians were like you and believed character and personal morals were the most important trait in a President. Whether or not he actually protected the nation militarily, economically and culturally were of secondary concern to you. So we had a string of Presidents that played the game. They may have moved the nation a little to the right or a little to left but they really did not rock the boat. So we watched as over several decades multiculturalism and globalism eroded our safety, and our economy. The nation became “soft and feminine” as people said in surveys. They wanted someone tough would fight for them and be firm with bureaucracy in DC and the world community. We got that in Donald Trump.

10. 

    AnnaMS

    February 4, 2017 at 12:55 pm

    I don’t think that non-citizens have the same rights as citizens. When my SIL lived here and attended school, she was unable to vote. As far as I know, nobody had a problem with that. I don’t, and she certainly has never mentioned it. I do not know all the specifics of her visa, but I’m fairly sure she was able to have a job, and she had insurance through the school (I was glad she was able to receive necessary medical care when she broke her leg). Nobody treated her like a second-class person. Honestly, a ton of people who could vote, choose not to, and those people probably saw very little difference between their lives and her’s other than the fact she would have to leave the country when her visa expired. You incorrectly stated that I view anyone with fewer rights as a second-class citizen. That is on its face preposterous. Other than the fact we wind up claiming all kinds of rights we haven’t the foggiest idea why we’re claiming them they just sound nice, it’s discounted with our children. My son is a citizen of this country. He can’t vote, be employed, attend school, or many of the other rights Americans decide they have. That doesn’t make him a second-class person. If someone argued that my son was inferior to them because he didn’t have the same rights they did, I’d probably laugh.

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    AnnaMS

    February 4, 2017 at 1:08 pm

    Yes, there some other differences between races other than skin color. My SIL’s eyes are formed slightly differently than my brother’s. Big woop. That doesn’t make them genetically incompatible at all. I’m honestly not sure what point you were trying to make here. If someone is more sexually attracted to one race over another, that’s considered normal. My brother has only dated Asians so while he swears he doesn’t have a preference, I’m not sure I believe him. I’ve already mentioned that I do. My husband on the other hand has been attracted to a variety of races and isn’t as partial to white women as I am to white men.

    You keep mentioning you see cultural differences rather than racial differences, but in many ways I think you are linking them in your mind (if you like Trump, you’ll consider yourself in good company because he’s guilty of the same thing). There is no ‘white culture’ or ‘black culture’ or ‘Asian culture’, etc. Do Asians tend to eat more rice than Europeans? Sure, but that’s not likely to tank a marriage. In a land as varied as America, the odds of your children having to deal with significant differences regardless of race (there were white guys who were homeschooled, lived in the same are of the state, and attended the same church I did who had next to nothing in common with me) are extremely high. My brother and his wife have at least as much in common as me and my husband do.

    Finally you said: “Eventually the coalition of Hispanics, Blacks, Asians and Arabs will far outnumber white Americans and they will take over the political landscape of America and complete Barack Obama’s dream of fundamentally transforming America into a socialist secular nation where private property rights will slowly erode, first amendment rights will slowly erode and second amendments rights will slowly erode.” I feel like this is self-destructive on its own, but I’ll bite anyway. If you see Hispanics, Blacks, Asians, and Arabs as synonymous with political evil and white America as synonymous with political good, I really think you need to admit you might have some racist tendencies (ok, no ‘might’ about it). There are good reasons African-Americans are more likely to vote liberal than conservative and you and this statement right here are textbook reason why. You might choose to ignore it and live in your safe little bubble, but there are systemic racial issues in the country that aren’t going to be fixed by ignoring the problem. I think you would be hard-pressed to vote for a very anti-male candidate (and would probably see their attempts at saying they love ‘the males’ as BS lies in a desperate attempt to con males into voting for them), but dislike when African-Americans don’t want to vote for a racist candidate.

12. 

    AnnaMS

    February 4, 2017 at 1:20 pm

    You said: “I have covered all these with the statements “I do not agree with all the things Donald Trump has done wrong in life” Whether I know them all or not is irrelevant.”
    This is tragically false, and really quite silly. If you don’t know the wrong things he has done, don’t tell me that you’ve spoken out against them like you did previously. Also the quote you gave is hardly a nice little catch-all. If Trump were a spy for another country who was using his position to get his hands on classified material (and I DON’T think he is…this is merely an example), that would not be covered by “I don’t agree with all he’s done”. Breaking laws is not the same as someone disagreeing with him. How are you honestly not seeing the difference????????

    I used plumber instead of pastor because that was what you used. You could make the exact same argument for a pastor. I think you have to evaluate what you mean by ‘greatness’ and get your priorities in order. The Bible talks about what it profits a man to gain the entire world and lose his soul, so why we should be wildly excited about America being the guy on top that all other countries live in fear of, while we sell our soul in the process, I’m unsure of. Human wealth and power has never meant anything to God and so I think there’s a limit to how crazy we should get about it. If you see an employer who refused to pay his employees as a great businessman because he was extremely wealthy, your priorities are not even remotely lined up with God’s. That’s something you should take VERY seriously. And c’mon, everybody on the Republican stage would have wiped the floor with Hillary. Trump didn’t win because he was popular, he won because she was so unpopular and ran a tragically unwise campaign (she didn’t even bother to visit Michigan). And that would have been the case with all of the candidates. If you think Trump’s extremely limited grasp on political knowledge and his being viewed as a laughingstock are synonymous with exuding strength, then I’m not sure what to say.

13. 

    AnnaMS

    February 4, 2017 at 1:36 pm

    Just realized I forgot to discuss the 3/5 part. Yes, I fully realize that the southerners wanted to use blacks to improve their political representation (why you see this as some pro-black argument, I’m unsure, cuz you just know they weren’t planning on using it to better their slaves). And I’m not saying that people thought that black people were only 3/5 of a person (the definition of personhood is not for politicians to decide anyway). You really think the founding fathers get even remotely a pass on their racism because they at least acknowledged that black people were humans?

    Ultimately, this doesn’t matter to you because it doesn’t concern you. If someone told you they were going to take your job and home, separate your family, and force you to work for them for free because you had a different skin color than they did, you would throw a fit. But you know that’s not going to happen, so you can sit in your warm home and refuse to care about it. As long as you end up ok, you are happy. As long as the President makes decisions that will positively impact you, you don’t care about how his decisions will impact other people. You swoon over his wealth and dont’ care about his abuse of his workers because you aren’t his worker and you likely make a decent salary in the IT industry. You don’t care about refugees fleeing near-certain death because your safety isn’t at stake. You don’t care about how blacks are treated because you are not black.

    You are textbook ‘white male privilege’. I’m as sick of the over-use of that phrase as you are, but that doesn’t keep it from being true in some situations.

    And you just know that when wives refuse sex to their husbands, you don’t respond with “i don’t agree with all that women decide to do, but they’re good in this one area”. You make allowances for Trump in ways you refuse to make for other people because Trump might benefit you whereas your wife refusing sex does not benefit you. It’s.Always.About.You.

14. 

    biblicalgenderroles

    February 4, 2017 at 2:21 pm

    AnnaMS,

    Your Statement:

    “If you see Hispanics, Blacks, Asians, and Arabs as synonymous with political evil and white America as synonymous with political good, I really think you need to admit you might have some racist tendencies (ok, no ‘might’ about it). There are good reasons African-Americans are more likely to vote liberal than conservative and you and this statement right here are textbook reason why.”

    Anna – we can talk about “systemic racial issues” all day long. It sounds nice and makes a lot of excuses for bad behavior. Time will prove one of us right and one us wrong. It is not racist to point out the fact of voting patterns of races. They do it every day on the news and online. The fact is if you look at voting patterns over the last couple of decades you see that about 90% of blacks vote for liberal and socialist policies. Asians vote about the same around 85 to 90 percent for liberal and socialist policies. Hispanics are bit less monolithic in their voting patterns than Blacks and Asians. They go for conservative policies by about 30 to 35 percent while still the majority of Hispanics vote for liberal socialist polices around 65 to 70%.

    All I am pointing out is – if voting patterns persist amongest the races the freedoms that were fought for in the American revolution will erode and civil war is inevitable. I hope the voting patterns change but I am not sure they will. There was a bit of a glimmer of hope in this last election. Trump did not win more whites than Romney, in fact some surveys show he won slightly less whites. But for the most part he held together the Romney white coalition. But Trump gained a slightly larger percentage of Hispanics and Blacks than Romney did and that is what put him over the top. So in that I see a glimmer of hope that perhaps we can chip away at voting patterns of other races.

    See this interesting breakdown of demographics of this last election:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/exit-polls/?tid=a_inl

    My point is I don’t see Hispanics, Blacks, Asians and Arabs as synonymous with political evil and whites synonymous with political good. But I do see socialism, liberalism and globalism as synonymous with political evil and unfortunately most of these minority groups tend to vote pretty monolithically for these polices today. Again this not simply a white vs all other minorities thing. It truly is a white American culture verses minority American culture thing. Because in Europe many white majority countries tend to vote very socialist as well.

    White Americans as a voting block tend value individual freedom more than the other voting blacks. We don’t want the government coming into our homes and telling us how to raise our families. We don’t want the government coming into our churches and telling us what we can preach and believe. We don’t want the government taking away our right to defend our families. We don’t want the government coming into our businesses which are also our private property and telling us how we cannot run our business based our firmly held beliefs or even just our preferences. We believe as the founders of our nation did that God limited the role of Government and government is not all powerful after God.

    But unfortunately the vast majority of Hispanics, Blacks, and Asians have been joined by a sizeable minority of whites in order to oppose these values that the majority of white Americans hold dear. They do not believe businesses should have the same private property rights or freedoms as individuals. They do believe that Government should dictate how parents educate their children and also that the people should be disarmed as individuals and only the government should bear arms. They do believe that faith should be kept private and not spoken of in public and that protection from discrimination(i.e. gay rights) trumps religious freedom.

    And contrary to your beliefs I don’t live in a safe little bubble. I don’t deny that there is still some unfair discrimination towards blacks and other minority groups(especially the black community) by law enforcement and in other ways. But if I will concede that fact will those on the other side concede that out of wedlock births, murder and robbery are substantially higher on for some of these groups? You said something like this to me early in sarcastic tone “what will you do when white an America is all white and we still have the same problems?” Well I ask the same thing to you “What will you do when blacks and Hispanics are a majority and control all levels of local, state and federal government and they still have the same problems in their communities? Who will you blame then?” At what point will you realize that you cannot blame discrimination and poverty for all the wrong decisions that people make?

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    AnnaMS

    February 4, 2017 at 4:08 pm

    I am not disagreeing with your voting numbers nor am I excusing crime or other bad behavior/decisions based on discrimination. And I absolutely agree that a culture deprived of white people will also have problems. Our common enemy is sin.

    If conservatives refuse to acknowledge areas of systemic racism and find ways to combat it, then we very well may become politically unrepresented. But we will have ourselves to blame for that. I am really hoping that a conservative minority like Carson will be able to make some headway here, we’ll see.

    If we claim to understand discrimination issues but only pay lip service to one side (for example, this blog writes about how blacks are often anti-police without mentioning the opposite problem), we will likely lose as well.

    As I said before, if you wouldn’t vote for an anti-malware candidate, don’t be surprised if blacks don’t vote in large numbers for racist candidates. If we want their vote, we should probably represent them as well. Because you’re right, the GOP as a party of white people will not last long.

16. 

    AnnaMS

    February 4, 2017 at 6:08 pm

    I am also concerned about the way our nation is heading politically (although I don’t approach it from a racial perspective). But trying to shove someone else down is not as effective as rising higher ourselves. If the poor view socialism as what puts food on their table that evening, while the conservative party talks about eventually getting a good job (a McDonalds job is not going to pay the bills for most families, so we’re not talking about an overnight solution here), poor people are likely going to choose socialism 99% of the time. We can choose to stand against socialism and decry laziness and comfort ourselves with the fact that both of those are true things, or we can actually find a way to meet concerns of people where they are. Giving them food stamps is indeed a temporary solution that becomes a permanent trap. But telling them they can afford food after they get into a good school, graduate with a good degree, get a job, and get that first paycheck isn’t a viable solution either. The Bible isn’t silent about poor people. The church has done a spectacularly terrible job in this area and the republican party is not any better. You talked earlier about how Conservatives see the world the way it is rather than how it should be. From a poor person’s perspective, it’s hopefully not too hard to see how they might actually say the opposite.

    We can win minorities to a conservative position. But we’re not going to do that if we’re too busy discussing how many black people are illiterate and not enough time reaching out to black children and helping them learn to read. Or in talking about how unstable single-mother families are, rather than stepping up and trying to help them make the best of a bad situation (the Bible talks about young widows remarrying so that could be a solution, but instead we’ve done a very good job scaring men away from raising ‘another man’s children’ as if that’s somehow a dishonorable thing). Or by discussing how many blacks kill police without discussing how black people are more likely to be arrested and given a heavier sentence than a white man is for committing the exact same crime.

    This is a lot of why I think Donald Trump is disastrous for the Republican party specifically, and conservative thought in general. We’re often accused of being the party of racists that doesn’t care about poor people. Instead of trying to fix that, we’ve chosen someone who can only realistically confirm that in their minds. We might get a nationalist perspective for 4, or maybe even 8 years. But at what cost? In a nation of changing demographics, we CANNOT afford to have our thoughts and ideas associated with the likes of Trump. He’s President now and hopefully he’ll accomplish good things, but this is why we need to not remain silent on these issues. When he does and says racist things, instead of saying ‘he’s not perfect, but he’s a nationalist’. we need to call him out on that and assure other people that that is not actually what we are about. They are paying attention. And we should not be at all comfortable with the message they’re receiving.

    If you don’t see the political benefits of doing this, at least maybe notice that it lines up with Scripture well so at least we’ll be living with more integrity and prioritizing the things Jesus prioritized.

17. 

    biblicalgenderroles

    February 4, 2017 at 6:17 pm

    AnnaMS,

    Your Statement:

    “If Trump were a spy for another country who was using his position to get his hands on classified material (and I DON’T think he is…this is merely an example), that would not be covered by “I don’t agree with all he’s done”. Breaking laws is not the same as someone disagreeing with him. How are you honestly not seeing the difference????????”

    Ok let’s put this story out there:

    “Between 1979 and 1980, Trump hired a contractor to demolish a Manhattan building to make way for the eventual Trump Tower. That contractor in turn hired local union workers as well as 200 undocumented Polish workers to meet the tight deadlines.

    Media reports indicated that the Polish employees were paid off the books, working 12-hour shifts every day for only $4 to $5 an hour without overtime pay.

    Time magazine reported that Trump allegedly sought out the workers after seeing them on another construction job, and then threatened through his lawyer to contact immigration services during a dispute over unpaid wages.

    In 1983, union members hired to work on the project sued Trump, a union boss and the contractor for using the undocumented Polish workers to undercut their pensions and welfare funds. The future Republican presidential candidate appeared in court in 1990 and denied knowing that the workers weren’t in the country legally, but a Manhattan judge ended up ruling against Trump and ordered him to pay the workers more than $325,000.”

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/20/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-correctly-claims-trump-tower-was-p/

    Now let’s assume that since Trump actually knew exactly what he was doing and did everything in story – after all he is Mr. Evil right?

    Even if it were true do you know how many businessmen across the country have done pretty much the same thing? Oh I know your answer will be “well just because lots of other people are doing it does not make it right” and I agree. But whether it is tax evasion or not paying people what you owe plenty of politicians have broken various laws before, during and after their Presidencies(Clintons?)

    You believe that is breaking employment laws in this regard was some grave incident that should have disqualified him from being President. I and millions of Americans disagreed with you. Was he completely wrong if he did what this story said he did? Yes. Did it disqualify him from running for President and becoming President? Absolutely not.

    There is some law breaking that is worse than others and if you can’t see the difference I can’t help you. If you don’t see the difference between if Donald Trump was a spy giving away state secrets and Donald Trump cheating on his taxes or not paying workers what he should I can’t help you. Most Americans recognize the difference between breaking tax and employment law and acting in a treasonous way toward one’s nation. Personally I see a huge difference on Donald Trumps breaking employment and immigration laws to get cheap labor and Hillary Clinton literally selling influence to other nations as Secretary of State. I am sure you don’t see it that way and we will have to agree to disagree.

18. 

    AnnaMS

    February 4, 2017 at 9:03 pm

    My point was that there are things that aren’t covered under the blanket statement you gave so you should care enough to research and know important things like what I listed about Trump. It seemed obvious to me that, in spite of people mentioning this previously, you were completely unaware that he had actually acted inappropriately with his workers, minorities, and women (and not merely saying dumb stuff). Shrugging those off doesn’t speak well of us as Christians or as conservatives.

    There are plenty of people who disagree on whether Clinton was intentionally violating law or whether she made an oopsies. Obviously, as SoS, she is responsible for knowing things like what servers she can use and what is or is not classified material so I don’t buy that. If she didn’t know, she should have. Lack of knowledge does not justify lawbreaking. For Trump, maybe he was unaware they were undocumented, maybe he wasn’t, but again, it’s his job to hire ethical people and to ensure that his business is following laws appropriately. But c’mon, do you really think he wasn’t up to his neck in that? That was just one of the examples I listed (and there was another example of the Florida golf club released earlier this week where Trump was ordered to pay $5.7 million). Either he’s a terrible businessman because of the ethics he uses at the workplace, or he’s a terrible businessman because he apparently knows nothing about what’s going on and hasn’t learned any better after losing multiple lawsuits. Mean, lightning only strikes the same place so many times. These can’t all be coincidences. I’m not saying that by itself should discredit him from running for office, but I think it should keep us from referring to him as a great businessman. It should also prevent him from running as a Republican/conservative. Working hard, legally, and being rewarded for it are key concepts of the conservative viewpoint, and this flies in the face of that. He has referenced his companies and how he wants to do something similar for America. It’s easy to look at that and think that ‘similar’ means ‘wealthy’, but it’s at the expense of being ‘unethical’ and ‘losing multiple lawsuits’. What does ‘greatness’ even mean to you and what do you think it meant to Jesus? Does it bother you at all if they’re not similar?

    Just because the Democrats put forward a corrupt lawbreaker doesn’t mean we should do the same. Since when has our goal been to be the same as they are? Is the new Republican theme: “we go low as long as they go lower”?

    Again, I’m glad he beat Clinton. But these things should matter to us. Do you justify a wife who sexually denies her husband while maintaining a nice home, because another wife sexually denies her husband and also refuses to be a homemaker so the first wife isn’t as bad? Or to apply this to real life, according to your logic, since cheating on a spouse is so much worse than having a starfish approach to sex, you should be singing your wife’s praises on here and glossing over her imperfections since she’s much better than your ex-wife. We both know you’re not doing that.

19. 

    Stephanie

    February 5, 2017 at 12:07 am

    “The question really is – does a nation have the right to determine its cultural makeup or is that forbidden by Scripture?”

    BGR, you said the quote above and I definitely believe nations have the right to determine their cultural makeup… even to the point of turning away “refugees” that could be harmful. I think there’s actually an example of that kind of vetting where God’s people (if I’m remembering right) tested the foreign refugees by their pronounciation of a word and killed them if they couldn’t pronounce in the correct way and revealed their identity as hostile ethnic people.

    Anonymous’ description of police officers having to treat people more harshly because they are so incredibly disrespectful is sadly true. My husband’s an officer, so he tells me stories of his day all the time, and that happens with any race… if you think you’re on equal par with someone who has been given authority – not only by the government over you – but also given authority by GOD over you as per Romans 13, the Bible warns that the police officer does not bear his sword (gun/weapon) in vain. Basically saying you can be killed by them if you escalate things yourself. It is the person’s responsibility to obey his commands and respect what he tells you to do. Too many people aren’t adhering to this social norm anymore… and that’s what we’re seeing with the black men being shot. 99% of the time, they weren’t obeying putting something down, and many of them really were on drugs or armed at the time and the media reported it wrong at the beginning.

    Anyway, that kind of attitude that all police officers are KKK members is what is getting so many of them killed, as well as putting black people even more at a disadvantaged position (more challenging officers and dying as a result). It’s now almost 20 TIMES more likely for a police officer to be killed by a BLACK MAN than it is for an officer to kill a black man. Every month about 8-10 officers are dying – that is so many families and fatherless children and widows being affected by this war on police. Their deaths are averaging about 2 per week, and it is because of this attitude against them driven by black people with this attitude (and insane whites/other groups) who think police are being negligent. The majority of black people actually don’t even agree or support Black Lives Matter!

    Most black people are killed by their own people. Our city’s eastside, where the majority of our blacks live still, have a murder a day over there 😦 it’s also where our city’s biggest prostitution rings are where dangerous criminal pimps prey on the black girls in the neighborhood… raping them and turning them into sex slaves to serve random men from our city, or into prostitutes which is almost the same fate for these girls. it’s very very bad and dangerous for the innocent blacks who still live there, it’s even dangerous to drive through the streets becasue you can easily be shot! That is insane to me that some neighborhoods where the majority of the people are black are like that… but it’s happening EVERYWHERE all over our country. But even with how dangerous it is, they don’t really have any problem with police or shootings in our city. They have to shoot anyone who is threatening them and that’s mostly hispanics and whites where we are. We had one shooting years ago that involved a black man, but he was armed and not putting it down resulted in his death.

    They recently did a study through the government funding – a not police-affiliated study at all, but one that would normally pick a secular side if it could – and they revealed that police are actually NOT racist in general, and are NOT shooting when they shouldn’t be. In fact, the study actually found that they are LESS likely to shoot a black man now, but black police officers are MORE likely to shoot for some reason. I believe it was done by NIH but I could be wrong… this one was done by Washington State University and says the same thing:
20. 

    Stephanie

    February 5, 2017 at 12:22 am

    And Sapphire, all that being said (there’s a comment awaiting approval because it has a video) if you’re still reading… our police force has quite a bit of black officers on it – they are so wonderful and my husband’s former Lieutenant was a black man that was SO amazing and wonderful. The best Lieutenant we’ve known so far. Most of our police force is actually Hispanic, and my husband is 1/2 Hispanic but looks white. You can’t categorize all police officers or even “most” as being KKK members when so many are from minority groups themselves… it just makes no sense.

    Anyway, we just were invited to an all black church where they were going to be praying over police officers and their families. We were invited by my husband’s former Lieutenant who normally goes to this church. It was SO AWESOME and made me SO EMOTIONAL I actually cried a ton just from feeling the Holy Spirit so strongly there. I made the black women in the choir cry (embarrassing) they came up and told me afterwards. Pregnancy hormones probably helped with that… but it was just so amazing to feel all that love for us officers and wives and children whom they invited there to love on. I’ve been to too many funerals and have seen too many police families lose their officer (husband, father, son, etc.). The pain is too real, and like I said in the other comment that will hopefully show up, our officers are almost 20 TIMES more likely to be shot by a specifically black man. So it’s the opposite of what you’re thinking is happening. And thank God not all or even MOST black people think like you do. The love that all-black church showed us was so overwhelming that day, and they also got a real look into the pain we’re going through. They back us with Scripture and prayed blessings over us… and let us know they were on our side all the way. Just so inspiring and touching.

    I hope you come to see this Sapphire… and stop living like a victim of everyone else doing something wrong because of your race. That’s not going to help you, but will drive you to insanity and unhappiness 😦

21. 

    Stephanie

    February 5, 2017 at 12:39 am

    “In fact I would not be surprised if we had our second civil war in the next 50 years. And no it won’t be over race. But because of the voting patterns of races you may just see one side being predominately white with a smaller amount of blacks, Hispanics and others while the other side will be predominately hispanic, black, and other races with a minority of whites. It will be over freedom from the tyranny of modern liberalism and globalism. It will be about people being able to actually keep most of what they earn instead of it being redistributed to their neighbors by the government. It will about churches being able to preach what they believe and say what they think. It will be about private property rights and family rights. It will be about the right to keep and bear arms.”

    ^(BGR Quote above)

    I definitely believe there is a potential civil war coming 😥 So devastating for our children… I keep hoping it won’t happen, but I’m pretty sure that’s just wishful thinking. The violence from Black Lives Matter, Leftists, and Democratic Liberals is what may eventually be the tipping point. And I do think you’re right BGR, that it won’t happen immediately, Trump will potentially have 8 years… but in the next 50 years, it probably will just because of exactly what you said: the voting pattern and growth of minorities who are proven to vote for more progressive, totalitarian policies most often because they came from countries with those policies and they actually prefer them to conservatism.

    It’s just so heartbreaking that we’re probably seeing the end of America in the next century. And I hope we’re totally wrong, but I don’t see how we won’t be. Europe is already on the brink of civil wars errupting everywhere where the migrants are taking over areas and preventing police from even entering their communities and running their areas of land under Sharia law etc. We’ll most likely watch as Europe falls first, and then have an even bigger fight in America over many of the same issues.

22. 

    biblicalgenderroles

    February 5, 2017 at 2:48 am

    AnnaMS,

    Your Statement:

    “Ultimately, this doesn’t matter to you because it doesn’t concern you. If someone told you they were going to take your job and home, separate your family, and force you to work for them for free because you had a different skin color than they did, you would throw a fit. But you know that’s not going to happen, so you can sit in your warm home and refuse to care about it. As long as you end up ok, you are happy. As long as the President makes decisions that will positively impact you, you don’t care about how his decisions will impact other people.”

    I have made it abundantly clear throughout the comments in this post and in other articles that I vehemently disagreed with the enslavement of the African people by European nations and North and South American colonies and nations. So your attack against me here is completely and utterly false and dishonest.

    You may disagree with me supporting the policies of the past that wanted to keep a white majority in America that is a far cry from supporting slavery in America.

    Your Statement:

    “You don’t care about refugees fleeing near-certain death because your safety isn’t at stake. You don’t care about how blacks are treated because you are not black.”

    I do care about refugees fleeing near-certain death BECAUSE our nation’s safety IS at stake. Have you not read of all the attacks in Europe and how many of them are tied to refugees? Have you not seen how European nations are overwhelmed and governments are being overturned because of the refugee crisis in Europe?

    Those who are for letting refugees pour into America keep pointing to “well all the recent terrorist attacks have been home grown attacks so we have nothing to worry about”. But that can change in an instant. And no I am not under any illusion that banning these nations will keep all terrorism out. It is temporary and a step in the right direction.

    And I don’t care how black people are treated? Really? I have been fully supportive of if it can be shown the police officers clearly violated the law as some have then they should go to prison. I want everyone to be treated fairly before the law and if you can prove beyond a doubt that an officer pulled over an innocent black person and purposefully assaults them or falsely arrests them then that officer should be punished accordingly.

    I suppose I don’t care how black people are treated when I give money in our special offerings for the black church planting ministries in inner cities that my church supports? I suppose I don’t care about black people when I encouraged my son to go on a mission trip with our youth group to help with building projects in one of those inner city black churches? But I guess you did not know that.

    Your Statement:

    “It’s.Always.About.You.”

    Yes I work in the IT industry and make a decent salary. But what you probably did not know is that after I pay for my wife and children’s medical bills(our copays for surgical procedures are outrageous) as well as paying my child support to their mother and then paying my taxes for Federal, State and local governments I take home less than half of what I make. I pay for all the extras with my children that my ex-wife won’t pay for(like band and sports) because she does not sue the support properly and I have spoken to the court and there is nothing I can do about it. I live paycheck to paycheck like most Americans. But again – it’s always about me right?

    As I said before I contribute to my churches local ministries including those that support inner city black church planting efforts. But again – it’s always about me right?

    I go days and weeks sometimes without sex because of my wife’s various ailments and because of surgical procedures she has – and I don’t bother her a bit when I can see she is truly in pain even though I so desperately need that physical contact? But again – its always about me right?

    Speaking of the IT industry – yes in occupation there are always jobs available. Last year when I left the company I had been at for years it took me two weeks to find a job because my skills were so much in demand. So whether Obama was President, or Hillary was President or Trump was President it made no difference to my occupation. But you know who it made a difference to? I made a difference to the many relatives and friends I have that have lost manufacturing jobs through over the last 16 years. I can’t stand seeing friends or coworkers who had good plant jobs relegated to working in low paying service industry jobs. These men can’t go back to college and they are not made for it and they have to work multiple service jobs and string them together to survive. Manufacturing was the backbone of building a middle class society without it you can’t have that.

    My job has absolutely nothing to do with manufacturing – in fact I am contractor for the US government. As long as the government is there I will always have job. So why do I care about manufacturing jobs even though it has nothing to do with my line of work – because it affects my friends, my relatives and my fellow countrymen all across America. But again as you said – it is all about me right?

23. 

    biblicalgenderroles

    February 5, 2017 at 3:02 am

    Stephanie,

    Would you agree that multiculturalism will be the death of the Western world? I think it will be. Nations that tend to control their cultural makeup and strictly control their immigration policies tend to be much more stable. You are absolutely right that Europe is just beginning to pay the price for their globalist and multicultural ideas and America will too in the coming decades. It is an absolute modern myth that America ever started off as a multicultural nation. America use to try and control its cultural make up – but then with liberalism in the 1960’s they gave all that up and with it may have signed the death warrant of this nation. Like you I hope it can be turned around. I hope Blacks, Hispanics, Asians and Arabs as a voting block will see the errors of big government socialism, globalism and multiculturalism. I would love to see a revival in the black family unit in America. But I am not sure what will happen.

24. 

    biblicalgenderroles

    February 5, 2017 at 4:11 am

    AnnaMS,

    Your Statements:

    “And you just know that when wives refuse sex to their husbands, you don’t respond with “i don’t agree with all that women decide to do, but they’re good in this one area”. You make allowances for Trump in ways you refuse to make for other people because Trump might benefit you whereas your wife refusing sex does not benefit you. It’s.Always.About.You.”

    “Do you justify a wife who sexually denies her husband while maintaining a nice home, because another wife sexually denies her husband and also refuses to be a homemaker so the first wife isn’t as bad? Or to apply this to real life, according to your logic, since cheating on a spouse is so much worse than having a starfish approach to sex, you should be singing your wife’s praises on here and glossing over her imperfections since she’s much better than your ex-wife. We both know you’re not doing that.”

    You have made it crystal clear throughout these comments that the character and morals of a President are the most important thing to you. How he will actually execute his office or what policy changes he makes are of secondary concern. So for you, like many other Christian Americans, Trump was never even an option for you in the primaries because his character and past sins. Any Republican but Trump would have been OK because they all had better character and far fewer skeletons in the closet.

    But there were many Christians like myself that thought differently. We believed how the future President would execute the duties of his office and the specific policies he would enact as President were the most important thing. We were disappointed in some of his past actions but we were hopeful for the future. Again it was the analogy of “We are hiring a President, not a Pastor.”

    I realize you may be very disappointed with Conservative Christians who voted for Trump in the primaries and helped him be the candidate of the Republican Party. I realize you may be even more disappointed in me personally as a conservative Christian who supported Donald Trump in the primary. But it is one thing to attack my position supporting voting for him in the primary or even my position that I believe his firmness and strength bring a masculine tone back to Washington that has been lacking for years.

    But is quite another thing for you to get personal and attack my character and motives as you have done here. That is not something I stand for on this blog and it is not something I have had to warn you about before but I am warning you now. I love discussing different points of view and sometimes we do so passionately. But we should attack each others arguments – not our persons. If you want to continue making this conversation into a personal attack on me it will come to an abrupt halt.

    Having said all that I will address your comparison of “a wife refusing sex to her husband” and allowances I have made for Trump.

    It all comes down to what you believe are critical components of marriage vs critical components of being President. I wish Trump had the personal character of a Rubio, Cruz or Huckebee. But those men and the other contenders would not have made the sweeping changes that I and many Christians believed this country needed in Washington. It is nice when we can look to our leader as a moral example in their personal life and pre-presidental life. We had that to a degree with Obama, and both Bushs(while I would argue it was lacking with both Clintons). But as I said before – I and many other Christian American’s valued function over person. We needed a blunt object to come to Washington and taking a wrecking ball to the bureaucracy and the globalist and liberal agenda of D.C. Any of the other candidates would have take a small chisel like Presidents of the last few decades and not much would have changed. Trump is taking a sledge hammer and that is what we wanted to see.

    You disagree. You value the person over how they will perform their function. Even if it meant watching the global establishment continue to weaken our nation economically, culturally and militarily.

    Now on your comparison to marriage – I see exactly what you are trying to say. I believe a woman’s sexual faithfulness to her husband and also properly keeping her home Biblical mandates for a good wife. In fact I would argue that they are equally important parts of performing the duties of a wife. You believe that a President must not only be able to perform the functions of President(making right decisions for the nation) but it is even more important that he have the right character and not have past full of skeletons in the closet. I do not believe that to be the case. Function trumps(excuse the pun) the character issues in terms of someone being the President.

    I realize that drives you nuts. But at some point you will have to accept that there are Bible believing Christians that disagree with you. We were looking for someone to do a certain job – to perform a function – and we found the man with the skills and willingness to do what we believed needed to be done.

25. 

    biblicalgenderroles

    February 5, 2017 at 1:31 pm

    AnnaMS,

    Your Statement:

    “If the poor view socialism as what puts food on their table that evening, while the conservative party talks about eventually getting a good job (a McDonalds job is not going to pay the bills for most families, so we’re not talking about an overnight solution here), poor people are likely going to choose socialism 99% of the time. We can choose to stand against socialism and decry laziness and comfort ourselves with the fact that both of those are true things, or we can actually find a way to meet concerns of people where they are.”

    I completely agree that service jobs(like Mcdonalds and Walmart) make it nearly impossible to support a family unless you string together several of them together. I also completely agree with you that it is utterly unrealistic to tell everyone who is poor that “they can afford food after they get into a good school, graduate with a good degree, get a job, and get that first paycheck”.

    I have believe there are different levels of intelligence and capability for people(amongest all races). There are only so many people who have the mental capacity to handle college do higher levels of work. There are many people who are only suited for manual labor or skilled trades. That is why we should be pushing skilled trade programs much harder in high schools.

    So one answer to helping the poor who are working these service jobs that make it difficult to support a family is to support a candidate who wants to revive the manufacturing industry in this country. A man who understands that simply lowering taxes and regulations(the normal conservative mantra) will not revive the manufacturing industry in this country. Instead we needed a President to take on the system that allows US companies to build their products cheaply over seas and then ship them back into this country to sell to our citizens to whom they have chosen not to employ. Yes taxes and regulations needed to be addressed – but even then they would game the system.

    But then there is one other politically unpopular thing that Americans don’t want to accept. We hear all the time passages like these from the Bible admonishing us a Christians to help the poor:

    “He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the Lord; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.”
    Proverbs 19:17 (KJV)

    “He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.”
    Luke 3:11 (KJV)

    “He that oppresseth the poor reproacheth his Maker: but he that honoureth him hath mercy on the poor.”
    Proverbs 14:31 (KJV)

    “17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; 18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;”
    I Timothy 6:17-18 (KJV)

    I completely agree that a very important part of the Christian life and the ministry of local churches is to help the poor. This why we should support not only our local church charity ministries, but also parachurch ministries like Samaritans Purse. But I believe(as well as many conservatives) that charity work should belong primarily to individuals, churches and private organizations. This is not a primary function of Government.

    Also charity should be temporary help as determined on a individual basis. Someone receiving support should not be a way of life and we should not have permanent classes of people that get permanent redistribution from other classes of people. Setting up permanent redistributions of wealth encourages laziness and discourages ambition.

    Johnson’s war on poverty was doomed to failure from the very beginning for two reasons:

    1. God did not give government the role of helping the poor. He gave commanded charitable giving from individuals and the church.
    2. By the words of God himself – while he tells us to help the poor as individuals and churches – he tells us a stark fact that Americans and Western nations refuse to accept. “For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.” John 12:8 (KJV)

    We will never eliminate poverty in this sin cursed world either by government means, individual giving or church giving. We must accept that fact from the start of our giving(which we should do). I am realistic and I realize our culture has grown accustomed to a government supplied social safety net since FDR introduced it. I am not advocating for the complete elimination of it but instead making sure it provides permanent help to only those who are truly need it(like the elderly and mentally and physically disabled) and only temporary help to those who are able bodied and able to work.

    But what that means is – there will always be people who struggle to feed their families, who live in tiny houses and have only the barest essentials of life. I have relatives that live at these levels. We need to stop encouraging envy in this country from the poor towards the middle class and wealthy. We do that – we majorly as a culture encourage envy because we worship at the altar of equality. Those who are poor should trust in God and learn to be content with their station. Those of us who have more should look to help those who are poor around us on an individual basis. Those who are rich should be rich indeed in their charitable giving.

    I love watching shows on TV that show a rich person choosing to help the poor – like under cover boss or other programs that show rich people randomly helping poor people. It is a beautiful thing to watch. You know why? Because it is private charity – free will giving from one person to another as God meant it to be. God did not mean for governments to engage in legalized theft(forcible redistribution of wealth) which often times simply encourages laziness and dependence on government.

26. 

    biblicalgenderroles

    February 5, 2017 at 1:51 pm

    AnnaMS,

    Your Statement:

    “We can win minorities to a conservative position. But we’re not going to do that if we’re too busy discussing how many black people are illiterate and not enough time reaching out to black children and helping them learn to read. Or in talking about how unstable single-mother families are, rather than stepping up and trying to help them make the best of a bad situation (the Bible talks about young widows remarrying so that could be a solution, but instead we’ve done a very good job scaring men away from raising ‘another man’s children’ as if that’s somehow a dishonorable thing). Or by discussing how many blacks kill police without discussing how black people are more likely to be arrested and given a heavier sentence than a white man is for committing the exact same crime.”

    I agree that we must attack the problem of black crime and poverty from multiple angles. On the one side we must address the education systems in the inner cities which is why I am huge proponent of charter schools. They have seen a lot of success where they have been tried. We also need to support Church planting in the inner cities which is why my Church supports these types of programs. The church can be a great help in helping to rebuild a moral core in the black community. We had a Black minister whose church planting ministries we support speak in our church a while back. He came from a rough neighborhood and God changed his life and called him to minister to places like the ones he grew up in. He made it clear though that he is loving, but tough with the young black teens in his church. He teaches them to respect themselves and to accept responsibility for their actions. He teaches them life is not fair and life is tough – but men and women of God do what is right in spite of those hindrances that are put in their path. He teaches them to respect authority no matter what – something that is very lack in the Black community. Liberals would call him an “Uncle Tom”, but he believes he is instilling godliness in his people and helping them.

    As far as a blacks be arrested and receiving higher sentences than whites for the same crimes. Stephanie addressed part of what I believe the cause is for this although there is much more to it. Lack of respect. Are blacks more likely to disrespect police officers than whites? I think if you took a survey of police officers you would get your answer. As Stephanie pointed out – are police officers more likely be shot by black suspects than white suspects? We know the answer.

    And on sentencing – Sentences are handed out by juries and judges on an individual basis. What are we going to do – have quotas for juries and judges to try and equalize sentences? That is not realistic. Can we try to make sure there are more black judges and black juries judging blacks? Maybe. But even then many times they do have black judges and juries still handing down tough sentences. On a side note – do you know it is a statistical fact that black officers are more likely to shoot a black man than a white officer(because the white officer has more fear of backlash)?

    Other than imposing artificial quotas for blacks on sentencing the only answer to blacks getting higher sentences than whites is for less blacks to commit crimes that put them before judges and juries in the first place.

    My point in all this is – we cannot just attack this problem from the perspective of helping Blacks financially, or with education or even with church ministries – all of which I support. We must attack it from the other side of getting tough on black crime and gangs(like Chicago) – we have to stop demonizing police officers as President Obama did.

    I personally believe President Obama has the blood of many of these assassinated police officers on his hands by the way he undercut officers in this country. Moral for police officers is at one of the lowest levels it has ever been.

27. 

    AnnaMS

    February 5, 2017 at 5:30 pm

    First off, I am not trying to attack you personally. I see how you took it that way and I apologize. The things I said about you are not just true of you. It is ridiculously easy for me to not care about other people as long as my family is fed, happy, and warm. As human beings who are naturally selfish as a result of sin, I feel like we are going to passively be this way if we don’t actively try to make a change. And yes, in many ways I do see myself trying more actively than you, but we both (and the majority of Christian and conservatives in America) have a share in the blame. Just yesterday, while I was discussing this with you, my husband (who had no idea what we were discussing) mentioned that he was convicted about how little our family actions reflected our care for the poor in the community. And he’s right! So we all need to do better.

    With all due respect, while you are obviously quite generous, throwing money at a solution is hardly the same as ‘boots on the ground’. The church has mastered the art of donating to missionaries, orphanages, and local ministries; while being absolutely TERRIBLE at actually telling people the gospel themselves, considering adopting or foster care, or being involved with marginalized people in their own society. Again, this is something God convicted me about when I switched jobs last August. I knew I had not done an even remotely good job of witnessing to my co-workers at my last job. Obviously, I cannot open a Bible at work and start preaching. But I can get involved in conversations and try to invest in their lives. I’ve already had multiple good conversations with different coworkers discussing concepts like moral relativity and other related topics. I’m trying to get together with a coworker just to strengthen our relationship and see what happens. My caregroup leader recently invited a friend of her’s who is a drug dealer to church, and she came! If we’re being honest, how many Christians befriend drug dealers? And it’s not for a lack of drug dealers. The Bible talks about seeking and saving the lost. We do a massively terrible job at seeking them out and then act surprised when they don’t change their lives for Christ.

    There seems to be general consensus that a civil war is headed our way, but what are we doing about it? Are we just going to sit back and wait for it to happen? Is there a chance we could fix some of the deeper relational issues in the conservative movement and make it more Christ-like and palatable to minorities? If this is some sort of white vs other races war, and we both agree that whites are headed into being a minority, if nothing else this seems like good self-defense. I think it also has the added benefit of being Biblical.

    I’m not angry about the primaries. As far as I can tell, Trump won them fair and square (Clinton may very well be another topic, but that’s hardly my battle to fight). Do I think you made a mistake in voting for him then? Sure, I was open about that at the time. But for the purpose of this conversation, I’m trying to stay in February, 2017. Not 2016. What can we do TODAY about Trump? Is it really so bad to be willing to call him out on major character issues and point out that those things aren’t welcome in the Republican party, while we hope he will be a successful President and support him in his other endeavors? We’re already known as the party of racists. Comforting ourselves that that’s really not true while refusing to call out Trump on his racism is going to do absolutely nothing to change that. From a political strategical standpoint, it makes absolute sense to call him out on stuff like that.

    You say I’m seeing function and character as the same thing. I’m not, but I believe they are absolutely linked whereas you seem to see them as separate topics. And I’m honestly unsure how you do that. Because it seems perfectly obvious to me that our character (whether good or bad) will affect our function. Trump’s poor character definitely played a role in how he handled his family and his business. Why do we expect it not to when it comes to his Presidency? Also, a wife engaging in starfish sex is essentially fulfilling her function (having sex) but not her character (with a good attitude). So why aren’t you praising her for that?

28. 

    AnnaMS

    February 5, 2017 at 5:39 pm

    As for refugees, there is some very sketchy logic at work here. Yes, some refugees are dangerous. That’s undeniable. However, Americans (and probably humans in general) are absolutely terrible at risk analysis. You are at a far greater risk of being killed in a car accident than you are at the hands of a refugee. If you use your car on a regular basis without a second thought, but you are absolutely terrified of refugees, you’re not using male-driven fact-based logic there. Granted, the media plays a role here because newslines like “4 car pile-up kills 4” just don’t sell quite like “rape of 15 year old linked to undocumented immigrant”. So yeah, if someone who knows this refuses to give up driving a car because of the convenience it offers them, but absolutely refuses to let a refugee in knowing else they will almost certainly die, there is absolutely a case to be made that they value their convenience over someone else’s life. You can be offended by that if you want, but take it up with statistics, not me.

    Check out Matthew 25. Do you really think Jesus (who was a refugee Himself) is going to take “but, they might have been a terrorist” as an excuse? Anyone might be a terrorist. You ask me to think of what could happen. But what could happen to any of us? It’s possible that your daughter could grow up and radicalize. It’s possible that my son could. Why aren’t we using this same argument for them?

    Hitler used a similar strategy to turn the Germans against the Jews. He spread information about how a Jewish man raped a non-Jewish girl (some argued the story isn’t true, but at some point I’m sure a similar story was). He took the actions of a few bad Jews and convinced the people they were a dangerous race. If you asked non-radical Germans near the beginning of Hitler’s reign if they hated Jews, they would probably have said no, they were just trying to keep their country safe. Obviously, there efforts would have been better off keeping the country safe from each other. Just food for thought.

29. 

    AnnaMS

    February 5, 2017 at 5:41 pm

    Yes, God calls on churches to care for the poor. But can we admit that we’ve done a spectacularly good job at avoiding that duty? Many Christians are conservatives. So why don’t we address this issue in ourselves instead of blaming the government for doing it for us?

    As Christians and conservatives we have a lot of work cut out for us. If we refuse to do so and find ourselves caught up in a civil war, I hope we at least have the integrity to not view ourselves as just victims.

30. 

    AnnaMS

    February 5, 2017 at 6:22 pm

    As far as black people and juries, you ask a good question as to what can we do other than having judge/jury quotas. I speak more from a juror perspective as that will be the only role I’m ever likely to play (although the same solution can be used for both). Recognize your own racial biases. If you see a black man enter the courtroom are you more likely to assume he is guilty than a white man? Do you feel yourself more likely to see the black man as part of a violent race rather than as an individual; but you see the white man as an individual and separate from the likes of violent white men like Dylan Roof? I know both of these things are true of me if I sit back and live passively. These kinds of issues can only be solved personally. If we each resolve to make ourselves a better person in this area, and to encourage our fellow men/women to do the same, we very well may see a difference. Or maybe if it doesn’t result in a ripple effect, at least we will still be doing the right thing. Way too many times, we seek sweeping reforms (which tend to last as long as the person promoting them is in power), rather than changing a culture from the ground up.

31. 

    biblicalgenderroles

    February 5, 2017 at 11:55 pm

    AnnaMS,

    
    Your Statement:

    “You say I’m seeing function and character as the same thing. I’m not, but I believe they are absolutely linked whereas you seem to see them as separate topics. And I’m honestly unsure how you do that. Because it seems perfectly obvious to me that our character (whether good or bad) will affect our function. Trump’s poor character definitely played a role in how he handled his family and his business. Why do we expect it not to when it comes to his Presidency? Also, a wife engaging in starfish sex is essentially fulfilling her function (having sex) but not her character (with a good attitude). So why aren’t you praising her for that?”

    What is a wife’s primary functions? Her functions are to bear children, care for those children, manage the domestic affairs of the home, care for her husbands needs and submit her will and her body to her husband. And yes the character side of this is that she should do all these things with a good attitude.

    Now is it possible that a wife could do all these things but have other character flaws? You bet. And might some of them affect her function? Sure.
    For instance a wife might be great in meeting her husband’s sexual needs with a good attitude but she lies about her spending habits. Is that a character flaw? Yes. Maybe she is great in bed, takes care of the home and kids and generally submits to her husband but she has a big mouth and talks about her husband’s private business to others.

    So let me share with you what I believe to be a more accurate equivalent:
    Imagine if on September 11th after the planes crashed into the twin towers President Bush got on TV and said “Well I know you are all sad about loved ones who have died here in New York. I know you feel like you need retribution. But war is messy and I really don’t want to send our troops into war.” So all the people yell and shout at him – “It is your job as President to defend us and call our military into action”. So Bush responds grudgingly “Ok – I guess it is my job to command our army to defend our nation, so I will find out who did this and send them to attack them. But I really don’t want to and I don’t understand why you need me to do this”.

    
    Thankfully President Bush said this three days after 9/11:

    “”I can hear you!” he declared. “The rest of the world hears you! And the people – and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon.”

    Bush did one of his main functions as President – the defense of our nation – with an attitude of enthusiasm.

    This is the exact equivalent of a wife having sex with her husband enthusiastically.

    Now did Bush have some flaws – you betcha. I believe he failed in the area of immigration enforcement. A president has huge powers in regard to enforcing the border and setting policies with ICE. He could have double or tripled the border guard as well as ICE agents and deportations. These things all fall under the discretion of the President as our chief law enforcement officer. Obama did even worse than Bush on this and that is why the Border Agents union enthusiastically backed Trump. They were tired of 16 years of lack having little backing from their Presidents in enforcing our immigration laws and protecting our border.

    So when it comes to defending our nation’s economy from both internal and external threats, defending us from main threat of our era(Radical Islamic Terrorism), strengthening our military protecting our borders Trump will do all these things and he will do them WELL. These are the most important and critical functions of a President. I believe he will do each and every one of these with great enthusiasm and regard for this nation.

    The last President we had utterly failed in this regard. He withdrew our troops from Iraq against the warnings of those who told him it would dis-stabilize the region. Assad crossed his “red line” and again he did nothing. Our Embassy was attacked and our ambassador murdered in the streets and again he did nothing.

    He had the gall to give moral equivalence to the targeted assassinations of police officers with shootings in the line of duty of by police officers. Yes were some of these police officers wrong in the use of deadly force? You bet. But no police officers targeted blacks for assassination. This type of moral equivocation caused NY police officers to turn their back on the Mayor of New York as well as President Obama.

    This article from the Denver Post sums up well how law enforcement across this nation was feeling after the assassinations of Police officers in Dallas:

    “But for many in law enforcement, Obama’s words, while welcome, are greeted with suspicion. Does he really believe it and feel it? They point to perceived slights dating back to his first term, and they believe he has helped stoke the flames of hatred for police.

    Soon after Obama took office, police said, they sensed they wouldn’t get the same appreciation as shown by his two predecessors, who seemed to have officers’ backs.

    Under President Bill Clinton, the Crime Bill of 1994 provided money to hire tens of thousands of new police. The image of President George W. Bush, who also attended the memorial service, gathering with first responders in the rubble of the World Trade Center also sent a powerful message…

    The distrust has only deepened with each police shooting of a black man as they see the president or one of his representatives attend services for the victims. But until Tuesday, they said, the president had not shown that same outpouring whenever an officer has died in the line of duty.

    It’s more than just the symbolism that troubles them.

    They point to Obama’s opposition to providing police with surplus military equipment, which officers generally believe is essential to ensuring their safety and responding effectively to acts of terror or other mass violence. It feels like Obama isn’t interested in giving them the tools they need to do their jobs and stay safe.

    “His policies, time and time again, put officers back on their heels,” Yates said.”

    Many in law enforcement feel frayed relationship with Obama

    I am glad we finally have a President who as the chief law enforcement officer of this country will have the backs of law enforcement. Instead of making the justice department the enemy of police – he will make it the ally to police it is supposed to be.

    Should we have a civil rights division of DOJ and internal affairs departments of police departments? Of course we should. Are there bad cops who are unjustly assault blacks and other minorities? Yes. But they are rare. Do Police sometimes make split second decisions that they later regret? Sure. But we need to STOP this demonization of police and Trump will stop that as our commander and chief.

32. 

    biblicalgenderroles

    February 6, 2017 at 12:41 am

    AnnaMS,

    Your Statement:

    “As for refugees, there is some very sketchy logic at work here. Yes, some refugees are dangerous. That’s undeniable. However, Americans (and probably humans in general) are absolutely terrible at risk analysis. You are at a far greater risk of being killed in a car accident than you are at the hands of a refugee. If you use your car on a regular basis without a second thought, but you are absolutely terrified of refugees, you’re not using male-driven fact-based logic there.”

    Driving a car is a bad analogy. We have to drive cars to get to our jobs, so yes we have to take the risk every day of getting into a car accident. We have don’t have to allow refugees in and increase our risk of a terrorist attack coming from the refugee population. The President’s first duty is to the defense of our nation – not the refugees of other nations.

    Your Statement:

    “Hitler used a similar strategy to turn the Germans against the Jews. He spread information about how a Jewish man raped a non-Jewish girl (some argued the story isn’t true, but at some point I’m sure a similar story was). He took the actions of a few bad Jews and convinced the people they were a dangerous race.”

    How did I know you were going to bring Hitler into this? Oh well I will bite. Again your analogy is flawed and there is absolutely no comparison between with what Hitler did with the Jews and the attention to terrorist attacks by Muslims and crime committed by illegals that Donald Trump has brought to the national for-front.

    Did radical Jews blow up buildings in Berlin and call Germany to become a Jewish state? Did radical Jews purposefully target innocent civilians during a celebratory marathon(Boston Marathon)? Did radical Jews drive semi trucks through crowds of people as they did in Europe? Did radical Jews take pictures of themselves cutting off German’s heads in order to scare the German population into converting to Judaism?

    Even with the total barbarity of this Radical Islamic threat – has Trump called for expulsion of all Muslims?
    And yes I know he initially called for a complete Muslim ban on immigration in the primaries before eventually changing to targeting certain Muslim nations with higher amounts of terrorism problems. But I am talking about that he has not called for expelling the Muslims that are already here. Frankly if he did do an immigration ban on all majority Muslim nations at least for period of years I would support such a ban. No one has a right to immigrate here from other nations. It is our choice who we allow in.

    Has he called for Muslim internment camps as FDR did with the Japanese after Pearl Harbor? No. It is standard in any war for Presidents to make changes in immigration policy. While it is true that not all Muslims are terrorists – there are a sizeable amount of radicals within the Muslim world that either indirectly support what these terrorists are doing or would directly support and help them.

    I feel like our last President felt that not offending Muslims was his primary goal and actually taking proactive steps to protect this nation from the risk of Islamic terrorist attacks took a back seat to that. Thankfully we have a President that understands his primary priority is to take proactive steps to try and reduce the risk of attacks from radical Islamic extremists and not offending Muslims is a secondary priority to that.

    On the issue of Crime that comes from illegals pouring in from south of the border:
    The fact is we had a catch and release program with illegal aliens and people died. But even larger than that – the cartels have been bringing their crime across the border and our border patrol does not have the manpower or resources it needs. On top of that Police officers in sanctuary cities are not allowed to contact ICE. That is utterly absurd and I am glad this will stop.

    One last thing – you understand that long before Trump announced his candidacy millions of Americans were frustrated and upset at the lack of border enforcement that we have had for decades. We were also frustrated with years of Obama telling us we had nothing to worry about from terrorists as we saw terrorist attacks happen here and in Europe.

    Hitler made up a threat with the Jews where there was none. On the other hand, Trump responded to actual problems in this nation with our economy(globalism decimating our manufacturing industry), a lax immigration system, and actual terrorist attacks on our home soil and that of other European countries and that is exactly why he won.

33. 

    AnnaMS

    February 6, 2017 at 9:15 am

    You’ve made the argument that character and function are not at all linked. So for a wife, her cheerful attitude during sex (character) cannot be linked to her function of actually having sex using your argument. So you are continuing to make arguments against woman’s character and refusing to call out the President’s. For your Bush analogy, I highly doubt you would be satisfied with the lame-ass words you had him say in your hypothetical. In real life, you might have let it slide cuz he’s a Republican, but no way on God’s green earth a Clinton or an Obama would have received such treatment.

    However, that’s not even the main point here. Why are you so incredibly unwilling to call out Trump on his racist actions and his mistreatment of his employees? Are you worried that it will somehow weaken his Presidency (cuz you know, nothing strengthens a guy like a little racism served on the side of workplace injustice)? You firmly call out people for all kinds of sins on this blog and don’t just stick with a weak whispered “I don’t agree with all they’re doing, but…..” Why can’t you be just as firm with Trump?

34. 

    anonymous

    February 6, 2017 at 9:36 am

    Trump is very polarizing with women. I don’t think many of them can get past the grab them by the blank comment.

    When it comes to character, I would say he certainly has more flaws than the average man, Christian or not. He has not done right by his first two wives, I don’t think he has been ethical in his business dealings either, and he doesn’t seem to have a problem making fun of the hardships or disabilities of others. Truly I think he is a man who wants to speak to spiritual things, but has absolutely no concept of spiritual things because he is not in relationship with Jesus. On the upside, he seems to care about his children and they seem to think well of him.

    All of these things aside, this is a big picture situation. I would love to have a strong man of God (and I mean strong with grit when necessary) as president, but that was not the option we had. The last election was no choice at all if you are kingdom minded for the Lord. Hillary is completely corrupt and everything she stands for is against the Lord’s ways. So I guess my take on this is this, we can spend forever arguing about Trump and his character flaws and nit pick what we don’t like, or we can hope and pray that he is successful to putting this country on a path where it becomes more Godly. Personally for him, I hope he experiences some real growth during this 4 years. Personally for our country, it is more important that the things he promised he would do will come to pass for this nation.

35. 

    AnnaMS

    February 6, 2017 at 9:37 am

    Your continuing to define all Muslims in general, and refugees specifically, based on the wrong actions of a few. You would not appreciate if people linked Christians to the likes of Dylan Roof (a Christian extremist). Once again, you are willing to refuse to see people as individuals but instead as the worst part of a group, as long as people do not do the same to you. Do you honestly think the average Syrian refugee is so much worse than your average Jew pre-Holocaust? Was this all a plot they concocted to infiltrate our security system even though we’re still vetting them? Are people fleeing Syria because they love it there so much and they’re trying to make America just like it? The VAST majority of Muslims are peaceful people. Again, these aren’t the people you see on the media. We’re trained to see Muslims as a scary group of violent people plotting our deaths. And that is ludicrous! The average Muslim is no more like the 9/11 terrorists, than you are to Dylan Roof. You may find that hard to believe (I certainly did!), but do a little research here. Turn off the TV and look at some actual numbers! The media is quick to report about the one extremist in America who arrived out of 3000 refugees but never says a word about the other 2999 who are just seeking safety for their families. To some extent, we can’t blame ourselves for initially being duped, but as the saying goes “fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me”.

    I’m not comparing Trump to Hitler. While they do have some troubling things in common, I see Hitler driven more by hate whereas Trump driven more by selfishness and appeals to other’s hate to accomplish his own good. However, keep in mind that Hitler wasn’t mass-executing Jews on day one of his reign. He slowly built up by indoctrinating exaggerated fear into one set of people against another set of people by encouraging them to see all Jews based on the flawed actions of a few. I’m not saying there weren’t some bad Jews anymore than I’m saying there aren’t some bad refugees. But the Jews did not deserve the holocaust as a result, anymore than innocent refugees deserve to die as a result.

    Your statements about cars could not be more false. First, it wasn’t an analogy, it’s showing how bad American are at risk-assessments. Second, cars are not a necessity. 100 years ago, they weren’t even that popular. Even now, it’s possible to get around without one (one of my coworkers doesn’t own a car, and you yourself work from home). Is it easier and more convenient to live life with one? Absolutely. I’ve never denied that. However, cars have never been a right for people to have, and they remain a luxury to many people, some of whom cannot afford one. But this isn’t about cars being an absolute necessity so you put your kids there with fear and trembling because there is just no other way. No, this is about how you still see cars as safer than Syrian refugees even though the numbers just don’t add up for you. In a way, I get that. I have a hard time believing some of the numbers, because they don’t add up with what is reported on the news or what is displayed on crime shows (people will watch on the edge of their seats for a team of detectives to solve a brutal murder, but would view a car accident as a yawn fest, so guess what they see more of?).

    So this brings us to the important point about what we are obligated to do. Now, I’ve said before that I’ve never argued for people to do the bare minimum. That’s terrible advice for a marriage, and pretty bad advice for life in general. Yes, Trump should prioritize Americans. But should he prioritize causing the deaths of thousands of refugees so that a few Americans don’t die and a whole lot of others can live in a sense of false security? At some point, we have to ask ourselves the over-used, but sometimes very valid question, what would Jesus do? Would He excuse our turning our backs on people who desperately need our help because we had some unreal fear of them? Would our telling Him “we’re just trying to be patriotic” fly in the smallest sense of the word? I’m honestly having a hard time imagining Jesus buying into the “America first” mentality. I asked a question earlier that you didn’t seem to appreciate (although it wasn’t meant to be inflammatory) of whether we are Christians first or Americans first? Now I don’t think there’s anything American about refusing to save a lot of innocent people because a few guilty ones may elude the vetting process, but I realize there are some who will remain unconvinced by that. But I think that’s definitely NOT a Christian attitude to take.

    I’d like to point out that we don’t use this “he could do bad things so its better off for him to die in another country than live in our’s” ‘logic’ for any other situation. If you actually believed this, why aren’t you advocating for black woman to abort their babies since you see these babies as at an increased risk of growing up to be criminals? I realize that seems silly to you because unborn babies are just helpless infants, but many Syrian refugees are just helpless people as well. Why do we stop championing life at the point the person is born?

36. 

    AnnaMS

    February 6, 2017 at 9:55 am

    If you don’t agree with anything else of what I’m saying (and Anonymous, you may enjoy weighing in on this part, too), can we at least agree with what I’m about to say here? How are we planning on handling the upcoming civil war? Wouldn’t it be best to fix problems in our political/religious groups to remove legitimate complaints other have against us? Wouldn’t it be best to reach out to people and meet them where they are at life, even if it isn’t fun or maybe even particularly safe (the apostles did very poorly in the ‘died of natural causes’ category after all), rather than simply to vilify them? Right now, America is torn apart. This is increasingly obvious every day. We can comfort ourselves with the fact that we’re better than they are, or that we have more logic on our side, but if we’re not actually addressing our issues and making a legitimate effort to seek them out are we even remotely playing a role in our sanctification or our part of the Great Commission?

    Thanks to changing demographics, Conservatives are not likely to last long while being known as the party of racists who hate poor people (although it’s not a compliment to white people that our racism is more tolerated by us than others). Does anybody else care about addressing this? This seems to me like the obvious thing to do both from a moral as well as from a politically strategic position. We’re all concerned about being a small political minority in the future, but instead of trying to build ourselves up, we seem to be content with shoving others down. Instead of trying to reach people in the community and address their legitimate concerns, we’re trying to keep people like them out of the country so there are fewer votes for the other side. On its face, that seems fairly low on integrity. But we’re also missing a great chance to do some self-analysis and come out better people. Why are we fighting this, why?

    I’m not trying to ‘nit-pick’ Trump (although pointing out things like workplace abuses can hardly be called nitpicking with a straight face…mean we’re not talking about mere annoyances like farting in public). I hope he is successful in some of his goals. I hope to see Neil Gorsuch confirmed. I hope to see DeVos wreak havoc on our public school system and maybe demolish it entirely (although I’m probably being a little overly optimistic there, but this is the closest we’ve come in a long time, so you can’t blame a girl for dreaming!) I hope to see increased respect for law enforcement (although that’s not the same thing as saying if you disrespect an authority, you deserve to die…no teenager would survive that rule!). I hope to see our immigration laws enforced (while I think we need to do a more realistic job when it comes to immigration, I’ve never been a fan of the catch-and-release approach). Ultimately, I hope America and the world flourishes during his Presidency. We obviously have our disagreements about some of Trump’s policies, but even if we agreed on all of them, demanding better character from a man, or at the very least being willing to call him out on it and let others know we don’t approve of that and that actually shouldn’t define us, can only be a good thing.

37. 

    anonymous

    February 6, 2017 at 2:31 pm

    Each day has enough trouble of its own. I would say don’t worry about a civil war 50 years from now, worry about what you can do today. On Nov 4th that meant voting for the person more closely aligned with a future that is kingdom minded, even with warts. Today that means doing all you can to further the kingdom. I often think prayer is the most under used weapon we have.

    I don’t think white people are a special class of racists. Sadly the effect of sin is to be selfish and offer hatred to your brother when the Lord’s way says you need to love your brother as yourself. It is possible that certain groups of people look at racism and the solution to racism in different ways. For me for example, I see many programs meant to help minority groups as just as racist as what they are trying to protect from. I also think that when people don’t try to get ahead, that it isn’t someone else who is responsible for their lack of trying. We all have hardship to contend with, and it is true that some have more than others, but the way is for each of us to focus on the Lord and His will for us.

38. 

    Stephanie

    February 6, 2017 at 3:17 pm

    ““It’s.Always.About.You.”

    Yes I work in the IT industry and make a decent salary. But what you probably did not know is that after I pay for my wife and children’s medical bills(our copays for surgical procedures are outrageous) as well as paying my child support to their mother and then paying my taxes for Federal, State and local governments I take home less than half of what I make. I pay for all the extras with my children that my ex-wife won’t pay for(like band and sports) because she does not sue the support properly and I have spoken to the court and there is nothing I can do about it. I live paycheck to paycheck like most Americans. But again – it’s always about me right?

    As I said before I contribute to my churches local ministries including those that support inner city black church planting efforts. But again – it’s always about me right?

    I go days and weeks sometimes without sex because of my wife’s various ailments and because of surgical procedures she has – and I don’t bother her a bit when I can see she is truly in pain even though I so desperately need that physical contact? But again – its always about me right?”

    ^^Anna, the way you’re disrespecting BGR and throwing in these personal attacks against his character is really nasty! It’s hard to read your comments back and forth to him when you constantly are throwing in personal attacks. I don’t want to get into y’all’s argument, but just from an outsider watching it, he’s being respectful and you’re being EXTREMELY rude and disrespectful, accusing him of things that are truly evil (like racism) along with all accusing him of being all about himself.

    About the conservatives being known for being racists etc like you’re accusing them of… the majority really aren’t at all. That’s why Trump won. There were over 60 million conservatives and some democrats and liberals who voted for Trump who were so tired of being constantly accused of racism for pointing out that our country is having a racial divide Obama helped inflame. Calling us all racists and insisting we don’t care about other groups of people isn’t going to help bring us together at all – it will only make a civil war happen much faster, because you’re focusing on disrespecting all those millions of people who are so sick and tired of being called racists or fear-mongers or hate-filled just because we don’t want our children and women raped daily by Muslim migrants. That’s happening in Europe every single day mutliple times a day all over. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg they’re dealing with. The Muslim run neighborhoods routinely chase the police out of the area cussing at them and trying to harm them… even shouting that they (the Muslims the European people have let in) want a war with the European people. The police are useless and can do nothing because the politicians which are a lot like Hillary, instruct them to do nothing.

    It’s clear you don’t know anything that is truly going on over there, or you’d see that inviting them in would NOT be righteous and good or even godly, but would be promoting evil in our societies, child rapes, massive amounts of daily sexual assaults, forced child marriages (which are becoming a HUGE problem in Germany and Australia as well as Greece and other places where there are millions of Muslim migrants). You’re not only bringing in these people from a different culture, you’re bringing in their very Satanic religion where women are treated less than a dog (their words!), and children are able to be sold easily and have no real worth at all. In Muslim countries, they ROUTINELY rape little boys and have a horrible fetish with raping them… this is now occuring all the time with the Migrants preying on little boys. I don’t think you’re really aware enough to be so judgemental against all of us who do not want such evil Satanic practices in our towns affecting our children. And it really doesn’t sound like you know ANYTHING of what the police in those countries are going through these past two years (since the migration of Islamic men and a few women and children). The police are so overwhelmed and horrified at what they’re constantly seeing with these hostile Muslims they’ve let in, that some are quitting (of course!) and being open about what is happening by writing letters and telilng their stories publicly of what the police forces are truly facing. I wish you could be forced to live over there and really listen to some of the native people like the Germans right now… they had the exact same attitude that you have right now – that it’s Christ-like to help these people – and normally that would be true. But it’s not Christ-like to put your innocent and vulnerable people in more danger by inviting in a culture that Satanic. If you listen to their thoughts in interviews and if you know anyone who goes over there (we know several families that both have family in Germany and also go over there several times a year and they are DEVASTATED at what is happening to their people) – if you were forced to live over there for a year, endure what they’re going through, I’m 100% certain you would be against the Muslim refugees coming here. None of the German people who are the normal citizens (non-elite groups) are really ok with the migrants… they have daily sexual assaults on even GRANDMOTHERS and DISABLED women – I’ve watched interviews with 80+ elderly women talk about how disgusting these migrant men are with them – sexually harassing them even on the bus with showing them their penises and showing them porn on their phones. The little elderly ladies I’ve seen talk about this say there were exactly like you at the beginning – they only wanted to help these refugees out of Christ-like love, they believed it was what Jesus would want them to do. Now they believe it was evil to invite such an evil culture into their own cities to prey upon the weak and the helpless. But they had no idea the Muslim men would treat them that way. And the Muslim teens are even more horrible and brazen… routinely setting homeless people on fire while they’re sleeping for fun, and blocking off sections of malls purely just to harass the girls and women there. There have been 1,000’s of rapes and sexual assaults… I’m really surprised you’re saying that we should just welcome this kind of abuse and criminality in the Name of Jesus.

    Simply put, you’re coming across as self-righteous and disrespectful toward BGR, and yet don’t even seem to actually know anything about what you’re judging him on (wanting to keep Americans safe from inviting in millions of people who’s religion is Satanic – talk about changing the “demographics” of America….). I highly doubt you understand just how many Christians and Jews are dying over there either and how much they are persecuted by these same Muslim migrants in those countries? And yet Obama had a secretive ban on how many Christians he’d let in to the US as refugees. He only let in 1% that were refugee Christians from that area – which is much more dangerous for Christians than it is for the Muslims. He let in 98.8% Muslim refugees… and 0% Yazidi refugee people – who arguably had it the worst. Trump made a point recently that he would try to help the Christian refugees much more than Obama did, because they are actually in more danger. It’s hypocrisy to claim you care so much for the Muslim refugees and yet appear to be ignorant of how many Christians over the past hundred years as well as Jews have been slaughtered by those same Muslims you’re trying to bring here. The number is above the 100,000’s and yet you haven’t said anything about them (I’m guessing you’re truly not aware of the massive genocides against Christians that have happened… far worse than the Muslims in Aleppo. Aleppo used to be filled with Christians and Jews, but they were slaughtered, and you probably knew nothing about this as the West didn’t really care. The media never cared or had mass hysteria over our not saving them, the media only cares about Muslims being killed. You know who persecuted the 100,000’s of Christians and Jews in those areas? The same Muslim migrants people you want to bring here. You greatly underestimate how much their religion tells them to hate and persecute Christians and Jews… it makes me wonder if you’ve ever really even talked to Muslims before, because they are usually pretty honest about it. We’ve known Muslim children who hated Jews to an extreme, that were born here (but believe they are Palestinian). They had never even met a Jew that they knew of, and yet they were adament even while very young that they hated and despised them. They feel the same way toward Christians… and that is the moderate Muslims that are already in our country. Many polls and interviews have revealed to us that the Moderate Muslims have sympathy for ISIS and agree with the attacks on journalists who draw Mohammad, agree with Sharia Law etc. So the radical Muslims and moderate Muslims have a lot more in common than anyone wants to believe 😦

    Their religion and culture is so Satanic, and yet you think it’s somehow godly or what Jesus would do to expose our own children and women and men to that kind of deep-seated evil to be preyed upon and destroyed like in Europe and Australia? This ban is only for 3 months I believe, so there will be a chance that we will someday allow millions more Muslims in to effectively change the demographics like you want – for us to “meet in the middle” which Europe has already proven to us is actually impossible with Islam. With Islam, there is no meeting in the middle with infidel cultures and laws. Remember they won’t even let the police into their all-Muslim neighborhoods and run them under a completely different law system than the European countries have. They run their neighborhoods under Sharia Law and are establishing little Arabian “territories” where European women are not allowed to even WALK through in France (they harass them until they leave because it’s so uncomfortable)! Islam as a religion actually tells them not to assimilate, but to wait until they grow powerful enough in numbers or in political power, to start implementing Sharia Law and taking over terrorities that are deemed only for Muslims – through violence if necessary. This is already happening in Europe, and it is NOT godly to want or even ALLOW that to happen here in some fake form of Christian love. And that’s what it would be: fake Christianity and fake love. It is NOT what Jesus would want Christians to do in the face of such evil.

    It’s not at all about lack of compassion. I personally feel tons of compassion for the Muslim people as they are the first victims of their own religion. It is not Christian to completely sacrifice your country and children and women to try to save a Satanic culture that probably won’t be saved anyway (1400 years of operating this way). In the Bible, cultures like that were demolished by God’s wrath, or He would use them to invade people in order to punish His children that had been drawn away. It’s ironic that the Syrian refugees are descendants from the same Assyrian people that were also so evil and Satanic, and whom God used to punish His people through invasions, rapes, child-deaths, and taking everything they had. In other words, if God wants those people to be saved, He will make sure they are saved. There are already missionaries helping these Muslims, but they are usually not with family responsibilities like BGR has – the Bible says clearly that men or women like BGR first have a duty to their families – not to be missionaries and sacrifice his life for these people. Only certain peope are called to do that job and very few at that, certainly not entire countries full of families and children whom the evil Satanic Islamists will prey upon like they’re doing in Europe and Australia. What you’re telling him to do (while also not even doing it yourself at all I may add, nothing is stopping you from moving there with your family and trying to save them – so you’re being hypocritical in judging BGR so harshly), is not Christian and is rather disgusting that you’d be so harsh and judgemental toward someone who understands the situation and how evil it truly is much better. You need to invite a refugee family or several of the single military aged men into your own home with your infant son, and try living with them a few years being responsible for everything they do (criminal wise) and having to pay the fines or imprisonment yourself for wanting them here. Seriously, since you’re judging BGR so harshly, I think YOU should put your money where your mouth is and take them into YOUR home and see how safe your son would be. See how safe it is to blindly and naively trust they wouldn’t rape your son someday or sell him or kidnap him like has happened in Europe. YOU need to be the one taking the risk yourself, risking your son’s mental and physical health like you’re telling BGR and all of the Conservatives to do.

    There was a reason those cultures were often demolished by God (even down to the children and animals!) in the Old Testament. Just like there was a real reason the Christian men had to finally put on armor and fight against the Muslims in the crusades… because the Muslims had been persecuting the Christians for years (100’s I believe) and enslaving their children and women and bringing their Satanic practices and bloodshed and violence all over – just literally destroying Christian populations. Their putting on armor and going out to fight them and push them back was needed and godly – sometimes killing people is actually the right thing to do, even though we’re usually not comfortable with it. Hopefully you can see how hypocritical and very disrespectful you’re being to him and all conservatives that you’re judging so harshly on this topic. And again, no… “what would Jesus do” does NOT answer this very complex question of allowing Muslim migrants in to prey on the weak and vulnerable. Jesus said the fates of those people who harmed little ones like that was worse than having a millstone hung around their neck and being drowned. He was not for sacrificing your children and elderly and weak and vulnerable for Satanic people to abuse and rape and prey violence on. You have your priorities completely mixed up 😦

39. 

    AnnaMS

    February 6, 2017 at 3:56 pm

    Stephanie, you mentioned it’s difficult following this thread of conversation, and you proved that true as you completely missed that I apologized if I crossed a line with BGR. However, I have not accused anybody here of being racist. I never even said that the majority of Conservatives are racists, but I did say that we are often viewed that way and defending or excusing racism in somebody else is not going to further our viewpoint.

    I think it would be good for all of us to spend some time outside of America. Maybe I need to head to Germany and you all need to head to Syria. I would be more than willing to take a Syrian refugee into my home. The vast majority are perfectly fine people who care about their families just like you and I do. Would I keep an extra close eye on my son and move him back into our room? Probably. But I’m likely to do that with anyone I don’t know particularly well (my mom was molested at a sleepover back when she was a kid, so she was extra careful in that regard, and passed on that to me). Again, you’re seeing the worst of them on the media and you’re judging the whole group based on that (which, interestingly, is exactly what you did NOT want me to be doing when it came to conservatives, and isn’t what you want people doing when it comes to your husband). As I said before, this isn’t entirely our fault, and I think the media definitely plays a role in providing a messed up perspective here. This is also your final warning to stop hinting at my not being driven by what is best for my son (you’ve done this twice now on this blog). Absolutely unacceptable, Stephanie, and I expect much better from you. Especially after calling me out for being a disrespectful hypocrite. Care to look in the mirror?

    You’re talking about how bad it is in Europe, but Europe is not the only place to accept Syrian refugees. We have (and Trump’s ban is temporarily on hold, so I believe we still are until that is resolved). Maybe Europe’s vetting processes were terrible so they were more likely to attract and approve the bad ones.

    You refer to “their culture” as if it’s inherently composed of rapists, murderers, and referred to it as a Satanic culture that is not likely to be saved. That is false. There are absolutely some Muslims who are rapists, murderer and are clearly driven by Satan. I’d like to introduce you to a man called Dylan Roof……. In general, Muslims are not accepting of these behaviors. Muslims are no more Satanic than any other non-Christian (and some people who pass themselves off as Christian). Also, Muslims get saved all the time. It’s incredibly wrong to write off an entire group of people as likely beyond God’s grace. Are you aware that there are Christians in America who advocate for child marriage? Immigrants who come here need to follow the law of the land, and if they don’t, they need to be prosecuted as such. If America becomes obsessed with child-marriage, we have ourselves to blame. We don’t need to not be aware of the concept in order to identify it as wrong. If we have people telling us we should participate in that, we should have the personal strength to shut that idea down and tell them it has no place here in America. To argue that America will become accepting of that and similarly abhorrent ideas by welcoming immigrants in is quite frankly an insult to us, by implying that we are not capable of recognizing evil and upholding right.

    You say I don’t care about Christian martyrs over there because I care about Muslim immigrants, but how are those things remotely mutually exclusive? Yes, we should absolutely rescue Christians who are trying to escape that area. I’m not justifying Obama’s abandonment of them. I don’t actually recall justifying anything Obama did in my comments (although I’m sure I could, for some of what he did).

    You basically provided me with an emotional, possibly pregnancy-driven rant. Have you or anybody here any logical arguments disproving that we’re more likely to die in car accidents than at the hands of immigrants? Or proving that the majority of Syrian refugees are Satanic people? Those are serious charges and should not be thrown about carelessly. A lot of Syrian refugees are parents; mothers just like us who are seeking a way for their children to live and to grow up in a safer environment. They are no more Satanic than we are. It’s quite abhorrent that you view mothers that way. Especially considering the topic of your blog.

40. 

    AnnaMS

    February 6, 2017 at 4:35 pm

    Honestly, I don’t see how we’re making any progress here. We’ll continue to see posts we agree with as smart and valid, and posts we disagree with as disrespectful. As recently as 5 years ago, I would have sided with y’all on this and I certainly wasn’t convinced to change by some internet person I’d never met in real life. Obviously, we’re trying to do what’s right even if we disagree on what that looks like, and a lot of that is being lost in our narrative (and I bear as much responsibility here as the rest of you do). I’ll continue to encourage you guys to look at statistics and hard numbers rather than the media (that’s what I did…it was a very messy process and required me to rethink a lot of things I’d just assumed to be true, but I think a necessary one), but ultimately I don’t see how we’re going to convince each other here. Ultimately, none of us bears the responsibility of making our nation’s ultimate immigration decisions, so there’s no real harm done in our inability to convince the other.

    I’m not trying to have the last word here. You guys can continue to talk it out if you want, and if you specifically invite my opinion on a particular thought, I might venture back in, but for now I don’t really see the point in continuing this conversation.

41. 

    Stephanie

    February 7, 2017 at 10:36 pm

    “This is also your final warning to stop hinting at my not being driven by what is best for my son (you’ve done this twice now on this blog). Absolutely unacceptable, Stephanie, and I expect much better from you. Especially after calling me out for being a disrespectful hypocrite. Care to look in the mirror?”

    If you had talked to my husband or me on our blog the way you did to BGR, we would have banned you immediately. That’s not pregnancy, its just common sense. I’m glad you apologized, but wow!!! And judging ALL Conservatives like you did is really really self-righteous. And writing off all those real life experiences I’ve told you about (keep in mind the numbers are in the 1,000’s now of assaults and rapes), you just have written them off like they mean nothing! It’s amazing really how ignorant you are and want to stay that you won’t even listen to people who are there experiencing the dramatic increase in crime and attacks daily. The judgement will only be on you for looking the other way and calling us all racists and bad for thinking Islam is Satanic, which it definitely is. I’ve studied their religion for 10 years and kept track of all their human rights violations of Muslim countries for the same amount of time. I’ve studied deeply about their most important person they’re supposed to emulate – Mohammad – and it is for sure Satanic. So you trying to judge all of us so harshly for not wanting to expose our children to something Satanic is wrong and truly evil. You desire evil for our children… that’s what I’m hearing. You desire us to face what Europe is facing daily. And you must desire our children to be raped by Muslim men.

    And I’m sorry, but working full-time is not what is best for an infant or even a toddler and I’m so glad you’re situation is much easier than MOST fulltime working women have it because of your schedule. You’re taking your very strange example where I think your husband is able to watch him (instead of him being in daycare) and asking me to apply that to “most” working moms. It’s just not true. A couple of weeks after we talked on my blog I came across statistics on how it is very detrimental to babies and toddlers to be in daycare for more than 20 hours. It actually starts to negatively impact their mental growth and emotional growth and gives them abandonment issues. So I was right in trying to explain to you kindly that no, it’s not what is best because it’s not God’s way. Sure women may feel forced to work, but their baby or toddler is having to sacrifice heavily for that choice.

42. 

    Stephanie

    February 7, 2017 at 11:12 pm

    This is just some of what I was talking about. There is much much more, and we know because I have multiple family friends who either go to Germany routinely (every year) or that came from Germany and have sisters and parents and grandparents still living there. Either you have ears to hear, or you’ve been blinded by fake righteous goodness of liberalism.

43. 

    Stephanie

    February 7, 2017 at 11:31 pm

    This girl is much nicer than I am… she doesn’t blame ignorant people for their “delusional thinking”… but I DO. We have no excuse not to be aware of what Islam is doing to their own people and what they would want to do here by fundamentally changing America like they have been trying to do in many places all over the world (not just Europe, but the clearest examples are in Europe).

44. 

    biblicalgenderroles

    February 8, 2017 at 12:08 am

    Stephanie,

    Your Statement:

    “I’ve studied their religion for 10 years and kept track of all their human rights violations of Muslim countries for the same amount of time.”

    I have a relative that worked as a nurse for decades in a hospital that was near a high Muslim population area here in the US. She told me that while some Muslim men treated their wives kindly – most of them were extremely harsh, mean and completely inconsiderate of their wives. She said it was very common for Muslim men to rush their wives out of the hospital after they just had surgery when their wife needed more time to recover because they wanted her to take care of the home and their children. Sometimes they would even bring their children up to the hospital forcing their wive care for their infant and toddler children while they should not be moving much after surgery. Many of them acted with complete disregard for their wife’s condition and truly treated their wives as slaves that they had no care for.

    While I believe the Bible shows that wives are the property of their husbands – the Bible is very clear how a husband is to treat his wife(even though she is his property). He is to love her as Christ loves the Church, he is to love her as his own body and care for her needs and protect her as he would his own body.

    From my relative’s personal experience working with thousands of patients over 20 years – she said hands down most of the bad husbands, the inconsiderate husbands she saw were Muslim. Yes sometimes non-Muslim men were inconsiderate as well – but she said by far the Muslim men were the absolute worst in how they treated who was supposed to be the most precious person to them. This is not “the media” giving us this impression – this was real life. And I think the person you are is very much revealed when your wife is hurt. Are there for her – does it hurt you to see her hurt? Or are you as her husband just worried about her caring for the kids, the house and giving you sex right after you have surgery?

    You are right this is an evil culture that we do not want to grow in this country.

45. 

    Stephanie

    February 8, 2017 at 10:31 am

    Yes, and I know I already told you about my mentor and Professor in college who ended up becoming our Dean of the College of Sciences after I graduated… she used to be an ob-gyn at our University Hospital, and she told us of how many Muslim migrants (this was years ago too!) wanted their wives SEWN BACK UP after giving birth to their children – they wanted their vaginas sewn back up, only leaving a very very tiny hole for period blood to pass through, because they believe in female genital mutilation. She and the doctors there and nurses refused to do this because it is barbaric and not at all legal here in our country. But many Muslim girls in Europe (since they have larger populations of Muslims) are forced to be genitally mutliated like that even though it’s against Europe’s laws and human rights. Every year 1,000’S of Muslim European school aged girls are forced to undergo that evil Satanic practice… and yet people like Anna (self-righteous and completely unaware) want to bring that culture of evil sexual and child abuse here). The Muslim husbands did not care that their wives’ vaginas being sewn up that tiny (this was my Professor’s words!) would cause the women to have probably excruitiantingly painful sex afterward, that or she pointed out they’d probably prefer anal sex to feeling the vagina rip open sometimes little by little.

    We already have 100,000’s of Muslim refugees here that are not following our laws or assimilating into our culture, but are instead constantly looking for ways to bend or break our laws and inflict their Satanic practices on their wives and daughters and any white women they breed with.

    We know a police family who took in a refugee Muslim family with 4 children. THe children were SO VIOLENT to their own daughter (they only have one daughter) that they had to kick them out. The husband was put in jail for beating his wife and his wfie was not even allowed to really “be” their mother. The husband made the children call her by her first name and told them she was not really their mother because she was American and white. This was my husband’s fellow officer’s sister. So the situation was very heartbreaking and painful. The white American wife (the officer’s sister) was a good Muslim wife, wearing what she was forced to wear and trying to follow all his rules but he still brainwashed her children to believe she wasn’t their mother, and he still beat her enough to be put in jail.

    I’m sorry Anna, you know absolutely nothing about this faith and seem to have no real world experiece with it at all. I’d forgive you if that’s all you were guilty of, but your self-righteous attitude trying to make us all feel guilty for not helping these people who are a part of an EXTREMELY evil religion that you just glaze over like it’s nothing, and acting like all the cries from Europe are fake or not happening, I’d seriously repent from this ignorance – you have no excuse as there are reports and accounts all over that you could find if you wanted. You WANT to remain blissfully ignorant from the evil the migrants are causing all over Europe and the evil the marriages inflict on women and children, You WANT to ignore all the child brides European countries are having massive problems with deciding whether they should allow child sexual abuse since many are actually raped daily, or to end the “marriages,” but that choosing to know nothing of these crimes is actually evil.

    And while you’re blissfiully ignorant, you’re judging all of us as being evil racists and hypocrites for not wanting this invasion to happen of Satanic religion! It’s insane!!! I had no idea you were this dellusional about Islam and Muslim culture. But may the blood and deaths and abuses of women and children by on YOUR head if you continue to live in ignorance now. May you pay for their sins by taking up their cause.

46. 

    anonymous

    February 8, 2017 at 12:00 pm

    Mark 12:29-31
    29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[b] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no commandment greater than these.”

    Take note of the ORDER of these instructions. Jesus said the most important one first, then followed it with a second.

    Loving the Lord means loving His ways and following Him. Following Him means doing all you can to further His kingdom. That is what it means to follow. The second rule is important, and often, very hard for us humans to follow, but note that it is second. Often we can do both, I am pleasing the Lord first and foremost when I choose to feed my hungry neighbor. Sometimes we can’t do both, and in that case the first rule is the most important one as Jesus said. I can’t invite thousands of people into my land that follow evil and will, without question, damage the Lord’s kingdom and work against Him. To do so would absolutely be adulterous and not first serving the one we must be true to!!!!

    Any for anyone who thinks that inviting these refugees into our land is doing the Lord’s will, take a look at all the places where this has happened. The spread of evil in these places is an unmistakable signature of the enemy.

    Let me put this a different way. As a country, we are weak, injured, and barely walking holding our wounds. This country has not relied upon the Lord to make its paths straight. Culture has poisoned us and we are foolish. Our women rule us as Isaiah 3 warns. We are in no position to invite more evil–we are barely slapping it away as we drag along holding our wounds.

    The only answer to this is relying upon the Lord. Putting our faith in Him. Putting Him first! Putting His ways first! Our question should be, is this good for the Lord? No? then I am against it!!!!! Period.

47. 

    Alex

    February 9, 2017 at 12:49 am

    So, I guess that I have two points. The first is that even though people today tend to divide themselves racially and associate their culture with their race, there are plenty of exceptions to these rules! Stephanie’s certainly pointed to plenty of examples of black and Hispanic men who’ve broken type very much. I’d also put in that, sadly for our own culture, some of the hardest working young men that I’ve seen today are the Hispanic labor owes who work for my parents’ landscaper. They might be legal, but I didn’t know. They don’t really ask questions. Now, these young men haven’t come here in the right way at all, but there is something to be said for them culturally and ethically that they’re willing to risk so much and work jobs that most Americans are too lazy to do or too incompetent to do well. So, I think that it is absolutely possible to work towards a future of cultural assimilation for all races in the USA. Maybe that’s a pipe dream, but I think that we have to start by trying to cease this habit of grouping ourselves together by race.

    The second point concerns the refugees.
    It seems like both sides here are presenting (maybe intentionally, maybe not) for a “let ’em all in” or “keep ’em out” approach. Is there not a possible middle ground that can be worked out during the temporary travel ban? Stephanie pointed to legitimate problems with orthodox Muslim men abusing their wives and children while here and spreading that abuse to others. Is there not room, then, to consider and discuss policies for offering refuge to women and children fleeing war zones? (Not without vetting, of course. That’s another process that we’ve got to work out.) The women can contribute in the appropriate work programs, and the children can get aid through sponsoring families. The net benefit is that they’re freed early on from abusive, tyranncial fathers and that they’re given the opportunity to grow into productive citizens rather than young men as angry as their fathers who may just simply abuse their families or who may go all the way to terrorism.

    A friend of mine and I have also discussed the possibility of testing refugees, giving them a useful job, and helping assimilate them by offering young men the chance to join the military in exchange for refuge for their families. Of course, I don’t have all the answers, and there are ultimately flaws with every plan. A lot of people will get hurt somewhere along the way no matter what. The only question is really where those people will be living and how many will be hurt.

    And of course the ideal solution would be a stable Syrian government and a Syrian countryside that’s not torn by civil war. Then no one would have to flee because, honestly, I’m
    Betting that most of them would rather be able to stay where they are. They’re just being pushed out or getting killed.

48. 

    Alex

    February 9, 2017 at 1:07 am

    I’d also add that much of what looks like racial differences have far more to do with geography and class (and class and geography are intimately linked) to than actual race does. For example, a black teen who grew up in Baltimore City isn’t going to have that much in common with a black teen who grew up in Abuja whereas a white teen who grew up in the same neighborhood as that black teen will probably have a lot in common with him. Yes, you can find consistent voting trends among races, but you can also find consistent, differing trends based on geography, education, age and economics. Interestingly enough, I’ve also known college admissions directors who’ve demonstrated that you can predict SAT scores based on zip code.

49. 

    Alex

    February 9, 2017 at 1:43 am

    As for the economics of any program for assisting refugees…ideally, this would be handled primarily by charities (and there are millions of Americans who want to help in some way). Women coming in would start out with sponsor families or in work programs and would take English classes so that they could educate themselves more thoroughly and wouldn’t get tied to their sponsor or a work program. Their children, if they have them, could also stay with the sponsor families. Parents concerned for their children could also send them to families. No, it’s not ideal to break families up, but there is no perfect solution. Plus, as Stephanie pointed out, it’s often the fathers in these families who prevented their wives and children (including the male ones) from assimilating.

    Young, single men could be a different story, providing that they are not coming in droves to face mass unemployment. Historically, young men without access to sustainable jobs and sex who’ve congregated together have tended to commit gang rapes against women seen as vulnerable. Margaret Rosenthal, for example, wrote a lot about this phenomenon in The Honest Courtessan, but she’s far from the only historian of the medieval/early modern period who’s studied the legal records and noted this trend. Plus, there are a lot of primary French and Italian sources lamenting the terrible things that groups of unemployed journeymen were doing, especially to the women.

    Furthermore, as I said in my previous post, giving people who are abused and oppressed in those countries exposure to new ideas and a better way of life (especially the children) does have the long term benefit of spreading the positive parts of our culture and reducing those who might otherwise be stuck in an environment where they would be susceptible to terrorism. (I’m not excusing terrorists. Instead, I’m thinking of psychological studies done on mob mentalities, systematic implementation of evil, and how ordinary people can be persuaded to go along with terrible things. Basically, studies on how things like the Holocaust or the Rwandan genocide happened.)

    Anyway, the government’s role would be in vetting people being admitted and in oversight to try to ensure that these charities and families weren’t exploiting the situation to traffic people or help specific terrorists get in.

    Finally, scrap the military idea. I thought it over more, and I think that it could be fraught with problems.

50. 

    Blog

    February 14, 2017 at 4:33 pm

    Hi! Thank you for this post! I read through the comment made by you and Anna and my thoughts is this. The idea that Trump is a racist is nothing more then media sensationalism and propaganda. What racist remarks did he say? what did he do other then try and help us as American people? there are over 3,181 counties in the United States of America and Trump won over 3,000 while Hilary won a hundred something. People from all races, backgrounds, genders, colors, ethnicities etc. voted for this man. States that Obama had blue turned red and havent turned red since the 80’s. This includes minorities and black people as well. Black people I think are waking up to the fact that the democratic party is the party of slavery and always as been. Democratcs and liberals are for bigger government. Government takes care of you. Anytime government is involved in every aspect of your life you are being controlled and are thus a slave. BIG GOVERNMENT is the new plantation. Period. Blacks are waking up to the racist agenda of the left, keeping minorities enslaved to their big government programs that are meant to keep them in poverty. Example: during the civil rights movement when blacks gained their rights to vote government actually came to the black woman and told them they will take care of them but they couldnt have a father in the home. And thus we have the start of the black family being torn apart and these kids being raised without their fathers. Even when blacks were salves here in the US their family unit was more strong then it is today.

    Speaking of slavery, the liberal media loves to guilt trip whites being the cause of the oppression in the country but they fail to educate people that black people had slaves as well. History actually shows us some of the richest sugar fields were owned by Black men and owned black slaves. Were there more whites who had slaves then blacks? Yes. But it went both ways. They also fail to educate people that a lot of the times the slaves were treated like family. Given bedrooms, food,clothes, and treated well. Was this the case all the time? No. But it did happen. They also fail to mention that slavery has excited for thousands of year, all the way back to the bible. In fact before slavery in America, the biggest slave trade was by the Middle Eastern Muslims who have by far in history have owned the most slaves by far. Their slaves actually included whites and blacks. NOW I must put a dissclaimer here because I am in NO WAY shape or form condoning the slave trade. I am by NO MEANS saying it was right. Owning another human being is horrible, and for the blacks all around the world, the whites, and all the other slaves that are mistreated my heart hurts for their pain. But facts are facts and history is history and im sick on the skewed narrative the left pushes.

    As far as immigration. Yes we are a nation of immigrants, but we are also a nation of laws. Yes our ancestors migrated here long ago but our immigrant ancestors also formed laws and rules on how to govern this land when the colonies and states started forming. These laws are not new. Trump did not make these laws up! They have always been here. We want immigrants, that is what make America the diverse nation it is, but they have to come the right way. Its not complicated. No other place on earth could you come and go as you please without having to meet the countries requirements. Does it occur to anyone that if Trump hates immigrants he would have to deport his own wife? Ridiculous.

    I encourage everyone to think for yourselves. Before Trump ran against the democrats celebrities were lined up to be at his parties and hotels, blacks honored him for his humanitarian works for the inner cities, he was seen with people from all races and color, employed many people of all genders and races. He was with the “in” crowd and now that he doesnt drink the kool-aid they dumped him. Remember when racist Donald Trump put Jennifer Hudson and her family in his hotel for free to help her when she went through her horrible tragedy? Hes been in the spotlight for forty years and was only smeared once we ran as a republican.

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