Is a husband selfish for having sex with his wife when she is not the mood?

Couple With Problems Having Disagreement In Bed

Feminists and even some women who would not consider themselves feminists believe it is selfish for a man to have sex with his wife, knowing she is not in the mood. In fact some claim if a man has sex with his wife when she is not the mood this is rape.  This is a question that many Christian men are afraid to ask. Here we will try to answer this very important question, from a Biblical perspective.

I have several “disclaimers” on this hot topic throughout the post but I will put this most important one at the top in red so one thing is crystal clear since I have been falsely accused of promoting rape and physical abuse to women:

I have not, nor would I EVER advocate for a husband to force himself physically upon his wife or to physically abuse her in any fashion.  The issue being discussed here is about whether a man should take sex from his wife IF and ONLY IF she yields to his request for sex, even though she does so grudgingly and is not really in the mood, or does not feel he has earned it.

In our last post in this series on “How to be a godly husband”, we established the fact that as a Christian husband you do not have earn sex with your wife, any more than your wife has to earn sex with you. I took a beating from several people, even from some Christians who might 95% agree with me, because they thought I was not adding enough disclaimers about this right of sex in marriage.

But I stand by what I wrote, I feel that today we make far too many excuses for the sin of sexual denial in marriage, and as men of God we must address this issue without pulling punches.

In my last post “Christian Husbands – You don’t pay for the milk when you own the cow!” I did add some disclaimers at the end that some people missed about this issue of sexual denial:

“The answer to this question is a Christian wife should never give her husband a flat no, BUT she can humbly and gently ask for a delay. There may be legitimate physical or mental issues that might prompt your wife to ask you for a delay.  But this must be done humbly and respectfully, and always with the attitude in mind that her body does belong to her husband.”

There are also “disclaimers” sections here you will see as you read on reasons a wife might not be in the mood.

Now we need to establish the key Biblical teachings about sex.

Sex is both a Right and a Responsibility in marriage

Moses, speaking under the direct inspiration of God was the first to speak of the importance of sex in marriage:

“If he takes an additional wife, he must not reduce the food, clothing, or marital rights of the first wife. And if he does not do these three things for her, she may leave free of charge, without any exchange of money.” – Exodus 21:10-11(HCSB)

The phrase translated in English as “marital rights”, literally refers to conjugal rights – Sex.

In this passage, Moses establishes sex as the right of a wife, and the responsibility of a husband.

The Apostle Paul later in the New Testament, elaborates on this right and responsibility of sex in marriage making it clear that both husbands and wives have the right TO and responsibility FOR sex in marriage:

“A wife does not have the right over her own body, but her husband does. In the same way, a husband does not have the right over his own body, but his wife does.  Do not deprive one another sexually—except when you agree for a time, to devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again; otherwise, Satan may tempt you because of your lack of self-control.” – I Corinthians 7:4-5(HCSB)

The phrase “A wife does not have the right over her own body, but her husband does.” could not be clearer. A wife does not have the right to stand and deny her husband access to her body. As I said in the previous post, a wife can humbly ask for a “delay”, or “raincheck”, but only for legitimate physical or psychological reasons and the judge of what is legitimate or not is her husband.

Not only does the Apostle Paul start out with the sexual rights and responsibility of both men and women in marriage, he then tells us that if we disobey God by denying the sexual rights of our spouse, we open our marriage to temptation and danger.

The Apostle Paul pulls no punches here, Christian couples should only abstain from sex for short, mutually agreed upon periods of time. Christian husbands and wives should regularly be having sex. Not having sex for a long length of time, should be the exception, and not the norm in a Christian marriage.

But sex is supposed to be about feelings not duty right?

I understand to people who have not read the Scriptures, everything I have stated up to this point and in previous posts in these series seems cold, and unfeeling.  But you need to understand that our modern western culture has the idea of marriage and sex backwards from God’s design.

This the Modern Western formula regarding sex:

Feelings of fondness between a man and a woman leads to sex

This is God’s formula regarding sex:

Sex leads to feelings of fondness between a man and a woman

Some people might respond to this saying “it is not always true that sex leads to fondness between a man and a woman” and they would be right.  But let’s consider why it would not. I have one word for you – its called pride. A wife may actually be more annoyed at her husband after sex, then she was before if she does not release her feelings of pride during sex and give herself fully, both mind and body to her husband.

Exercising the right and responsibility of sex in marriage results in feelings of fondness between a man and a woman ONLY when both the man and the woman humble themselves first before God, and then before each other, realizing he has given their bodies to one another.

I am not saying it’s wrong that married couples have sex when they have feelings of fondness toward each other.  This is a good thing and what we want to see in our marriages.  But we must be careful that we don’t over time come to think that this is a prerequisite of sex, but rather we see it as a benefit of sex in marriage.

You as a husband are NOT being selfish for initiating sex with your wife

Young, naked couple in bed, the man leaning over the woman

You are not being selfish when you act on your God given sexual urges and initiate sex with your wife. Even if your wife is not in the mood, but she yields to your advance anyway, you ought to take it.

It is not selfish for you as husband to do what God commands you to do in his Word:

18 Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth. 19 Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.”

Proverbs 5:18-19 (KJV)

God commands men to find sexual satisfaction in their wife’s body “at all times”.

You should NEVER, EVER feel guilty for initiating sex with your wife.

Remember this principle when it comes to sex in your marriage. It is not just you, or your wife that need sex as individuals, but your marriage needs sex. While sex levels may go up and down from time to time, when sex completely ceases in a marriage the marriage will die. Sure you may still live together, but the connection between the two of you will be gone, and you both will expose yourselves to dangerous and sinful temptations by doing so.

Let me also be clear, that much of this advice I am giving to you is for Christian couples, where both the husband and wife profess faith in Christ, and believe the Bible is the Word of God. See my next post 8 steps to confront your wife’s sexual refusal where some of the steps could also apply to an unbelieving wife.

What I mean by “not in the mood” and by “you ought to take it”

The haters of the fact that God says sex is to occur if either the husband or wife want it will immediately scream “Rape” when I tell you as a Christian husband, that you ought to take the sex from your wife even if she is not in the mood.

The little phrase they neglect that I have stated is “if she yields”.

I am NOT advocating for a husband to physically force his wife to have sex with him.

I will address the situation if she does not yield in my next post.

But I will say this, despite American laws to the contrary, Biblically speaking, there is no such thing as “marital rape”. In the Scriptures, the only way rape occurs is if a man forces himself on a woman who is not his property (not his wife, or concubine). A man’s wives, his concubines (slave wives taken as captives of war or bought) could be made to have sex with him, no questions asked.

Now the Bible states that if a man did take one of his female slaves, he had to make her at least a slave wife (a concubine), which gave her a certain status above a normal slave. She had the right to be fed, clothed and the right to regular relations with him even he had other wives. She also had to be given the full rights of a daughter, if her father-in-law had purchased her for his son. I realize this entire scenario is appalling to our modern western notions, but I choose to not challenge God’s wisdom in the laws he gave. If you want to argue with God about this at the judgement, be my guest.

Two types of “not in the mood”

Really there are two classes of “not in the mood”, one is because of legitimate health reasons, perhaps she is experiencing painful intercourse or perhaps psychological issues and you should encourage your wife to seek medical assistance in these cases. But the other reason women are often not in the mood is because of “attitude issues”, basically adding up to “what has he done to earn this?” – This second reason is the “not in the mood” that I am primarily aiming at.

Reactions a wife might make to her husband’s sexual advances

The reaction every man wants to hear when he approaches his wife for sex

InMood

“Sure babe, let’s get it on.”

This is the way it should be the vast majority of the time.

The First type of “not in the mood”

WeHaveNotTalked

“We have not spent any time talking lately and you want to have sex?”

“I am really not feeling up to it babe, I am really sorry can I give you a raincheck for tomorrow?”

How you should react to “not in the mood” type 1

If your wife expresses a need to talk, then by all means sit down and talk with your wife. Perhaps she has had a rough day, and just needs to vent, or perhaps there is an unresolved conflict between the two of you that she would like to discuss. I think there needs to be a compromise here between husbands and wives, that sometimes we as guys can cool our testosterone jets just for a little bit and connect verbally with our wives when they need that prior to sex.

But wives need also to understand that sometimes a man has a rough day, and all he wants to do is have sex and forget his troubles, he does not want to talk about it. Your wife needs to respect this, and should not ALWAYS insist that you have to first connect verbally, she also should try to see sex from your perspective too – that sometimes you won’t be ready to talk until after you have had sex.

If you see that your wife is genuinely not feeling well(and not the classic “I have a headache” excuse), and she politely asks for a rain check, then by all means as a Christian husband be gracious and allow her that. Now if she is asking for a rain check every other day, then you may need to explore what is happening, and if there is a deeper issue.

The Second type of “not in the mood”

NotFeelingWellMood

“I am not really in the mood, but let’s just get this over with”

WhatHaveYoudoneForMe

Then we have the classic “What have you done for me lately?” reasons for not being in the mood:

“When was the last time you took me out?”

“Did you buy me anything at the jewelry store this week?”

“How are those dishes looking?”

Then we have the – “how often do i have to do this” not in the mood reactions:

HowOftenNotInMood

“Really? We just did it a week ago?”

NotInMoodHeadache

“I have a headache”

How you should react to “not in the mood” type 2

Many of us husbands, but not all, will take the grudging acceptance, where she yes, but with a bad attitude.

Believe it or not, I have seen bloggers and others online say that a man is raping his wife if he has sex with her, knowing she is not in the mood, even if she grudgingly yields. Anything short of her happy consent in their view, is rape. I have asked several good Christian women about this, including my wife and sister-in-law and they just laughed at such a ridiculous notion.

But if your wife’s reaction is anything but a happy or grudging yield to your sexual advance, you need only follow up her response with “is that a no?”

And perhaps throw in “do we need to sit down and refresh our minds with what God’s Word says about sex in marriage?” If your wife is not a Christian, a reference to the Scriptures may fall on deaf ears so you may just want to leave it with the first question “is that a no”, and then see my next post that will deal with how to handle unbelieving wives.

Your wife has two choices

Her first choice is to react to your “is that a no” question by grudgingly giving in. This is what I mean by, if she is not in the mood, but yields anyway, then just take it, knowing that both you and your marriage need the sex.

Her second choice is to react to your “is that a no” with a “Yep, it’s a no”. In that case you have to move to a different strategy that with I will address in my next post, “8 steps to confront your wife’s sexual refusal”.

But a woman can’t physically have sex when she is not in the mood

I added this section to the original post to address the emails and comments I got claiming a woman can’t physically have sex unless she is in the mood.  Basically the argument goes like this.  When a woman desires to have sex with a man, her vagina will start to lubricate itself in anticipation of intercourse. If there is no desire, then there is no lubrication and therefore if she is not in the mood she will automatically have dry and painful intercourse.

Just because I am saying it is OK if a woman grudgingly yields to her husband for sex he should take it, this does NOT give him the right to just “go for it”.  He ought to use foreplay and touch various parts of her body and massage her in an attempt to relax her.  He could also use oral sex as a way to help her get lubricated, and if that is not working use an artificial lubricant to help.  There are ways to make sure a woman is sufficiently lubricated, even if she is not in the mood for sex.

Christian husbands the ball is in your court

So as a Christian husband you have quite the task on your shoulders. God wants sex to be a regular part of your marriage. Unless you are one those rare guys with little to no sex drive, you want sex in your marriage. Your wife may or may not want sex, or she may want it far less frequently than you do. But regardless of either of your sex drives, sex is to be a regular occurrence when you are married.

You need to pray and ask for God’s guidance in trying to truly discern if your wife’s “not in the mood” problem is a true mental or physical health issue (and if so seek help), or is it an attitude issue in which case as I said previously – if she yields (even grudgingly), you ought to take it.  Do not feel bad and don’t let her make you think you being selfish for wanting sex with her, when the truth from God’s perspective is that she is the one being both rebellious and selfish.

The next post in this series will address “How to handle it when your wife refuses to have sex”. After that we will tackle what it means to “live with your wife according to knowledge”, “what it means to honor your wife” and many other topics related to being a godly husband.

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76 responses to “Is a husband selfish for having sex with his wife when she is not the mood?”

  1. What do you think about a husband not being “in the mood?” What I mean to say is that if the wife is in the mood, but the husband isn’t, then do the same above rules apply to the husband as they do to the wife?

  2. Christine Day Avatar
    Christine Day

    You are so full of crap it is not even funny. Even the scripture that you quote has little or no bearing on the customs and expectations of todays world. We do not (well in most of the world population) take multiple wives. Also your quote says that the husband’s body belongs to the wife too. In my opinion and in the god that I believe in, men and women are equal. If you have a loving and understanding relationship with your spouse, you will want to be intimate with your spouse. If you do not, then you should not have married in the first place or continue to be married. For women there are many factors that play into intimacy and desire for sexual relations and their husbands should understand them. So education on both halves should be the priority and understanding the necessity. Honestly, I feel very sorry for your wife and the wives of readers that agree with your stance. Have a good day.

  3. MY WIFE WILL NOT SLEEP WITH ME, I HAVE BEEN SLEEPING ALONE SINCE 2007 alone and in separate
    bed rooms.

  4. Yes – the same rules apply to him.

  5. Christine,

    As a Christian that believes the Bible to very Word of God, I must go with the Bible over what my culture teaches. I understand you may find the teachings of the Bible in regard to gender and marriage as morally repugnant and that is right to do so. The god you worship may have made men and women to be equal in every way, socially, economically and physically. But the God of the Bible made men and women equal only in the humanity, and that is where their equality ends and their inequality begins. He made man for a different reason than he made woman, and he gave them different roles to play out. He loves men and women equally, but he has give us different responsibilities.

    Also the idea that if a couple has a loving and close relationship, where the man talks with his wife daily, and tries to connect with her, and walla they will have a great sex life – is not always the case. Often it is not. There are many, many women, as emails to my site and other marriage sites can attest to that show a very different story.

    There are men talk to their wives every day, watch whatever shows their wives want to watch, take their wives on dates whereever they want to go and truly try to love their wives the best they can. These women happily receive all the love and affection from their husbands, and they love the lifestyle their husbands provide. But they simply don’t care about sex, and they wish their husbands would stop pestering them about it. So while I agree men ought to show their wives love and affection – that does not always mean a wife is automatically going to have a higher sex drive and their sex life is going to get better.

    The real root of the problem is, most women think sex is about how they feel. If I don’t feel like having sex – I should not have to. From a Christian viewpoint, this completely against God’s design for marriage. Sex is not based in feelings, it is based in duty. Sex can and does often produce closeness and intimacy in marriage, but feelings(and being in the mood) are not a prerequisite, from a Biblical worldview of marriage.

  6. Percy,

    I am very sorry to hear about your situation with your wife. What lead up to this situation? These things usually don’t occur overnight, but happen from years of neglect in the marriage. Were you two fighting a lot and that caused the separate bedrooms? What were you doing, and what are you doing to try and connect with your wife? Do you ever talk? Does she work a lot? Do you work a lot? Do you have kids?

    I would like to know more detail so I can help if possible.

  7. What about the husband being in the mood and his body belonging to his wife, so *he* acquiesces to *her* wishes?

    You’re reading I Corinthians in a very one-sided androcentric sort of way, to the point that it could best be described as misreading.

  8. David,

    The “power over the body” that both the husband and wife have, is that they each must surrender their body to the other when the other needs sex. That is the entire context of that passage. If you read it carefully, Paul is saying it is dangerous for couples to go long without sex, and that is he tells them they have the power over each other’s bodies, and to not deprive one another when either needs it. So the power is to ask for and receive sex from the other spouse, this power cannot be used to deny sex.

  9. Keep Swimming Avatar
    Keep Swimming

    I have a question. For those of us with a wife who may have some physical challenges like chronic fatigue and pain, if she truly does not wish to engage in intercourse, is it reasonable for a husband to request manual stimulation once in a while?

    I tend to get a bit irritable after a couple of weeks straight of rejection. But I feel selfish asking.

  10. Keep Swimming,

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with requesting manual stimulation, oral stimulation or intercourse from your wife. My wife has chronic neck and shoulder pain from a car accident she had several years ago and she will probably have it for the rest of her life. She has other chronic illnesses she deals with. There are some days when it is really bad, that I would not dream of asking her for anything and I just want to be there for her to help her.

    But as any spouse who lives with a spouse with chronic pain can tell you, they have good days and bad days. There are days when the pain is manageable, and then other days when it is unbearable. When I see the good days come, that is when I make my requests.

    You may need to seek out a good Christian counselor so they can explain to her that Chronic pain does not give you a license to shut off sex in your marriage. There are millions of people around the world that find ways to manage and cope with chronic pain and not shut down the sexuality in their marriages.

  11. keriwyattkent Avatar
    keriwyattkent

    There is so much I disagree with here, but I’ll just start with this, where you quote Exodus 21: ““If he takes an additional wife,…”
    “In this passage, Moses establishes sex as the right of a wife, and the responsibility of a husband.”
    Yep. In this passage, Moses also establishes polygamy. Is that still “biblical” and appropriate behavior for today? Or was that a cultural thing back then that we no longer believe is acceptable Christian marriage? If it is the latter, how is it that the same verse can give us something that was only for that ancient culture, and something that is supposed to be practiced today?

  12. keriwyattkent,

    These are some great questions you have asked.

    First of as Christians we believe in something called “progressive revelation”. So what that means is, God may have different laws for different times. For instance it was not against God’s law for Jacob to marry two sisters(Leah and Rachel) even though he was technically tricked into marrying Leah first(that was not his intent). But hundreds of years later in the Mosaic law, God decided to out law a man marrying his wife’s sister while she was still alive “You are not to marry a woman as a rival to her sister and have sexual intercourse with her during her sister’s lifetime.” Leviticus 18:18
    Under Moses law, a man could marry multiple wives, just not close relatives, where Abraham was allowed to marry his half-sister, Sarah hundreds of years earlier and that was acceptable that time.

    Now as to polygamy – that is a larger discussion and I invite you to read my series on it https://biblicalgenderroles.com/2014/06/05/why-polygamy-is-not-unbiblical-part-1/
    By the title of the series “Why polygamy is not unbiblical” you can kind of guess my position on the subject. God allowed polygamy and regulated it in Old Testament, and he never forbade it in the New Testament for Christians. Read the series to see the various scripture passages on this subject.

  13. Connie Chapman Avatar
    Connie Chapman

    For the record. I was put out of my house twice for not wanting sex. Kind of hard when you’re suffering from pneumonia and female problems besides. Today I am living alone and celibate and the Lord is my providence and the love of my life. Done with men.

  14. Honestly this is a great reply. My husband is my best friend and I care about how he feels. Haven’t you women ever been in the mood and not been able to scratch that itch? I have a lot because I’m away from home a lot with work. So knowing how that feels even when I am not in the mood I will always have sex with my husband because I love him and I don’t want him to have to feel that frustration that comes along with not being about to get a release. The way a lot of this article is sounds very cold and clinical but in all honesty it’s about loving your husband. If you love your husband you will want to take care of him emotionally and physically. Yes I might not be in the mood sometimes but I don’t balk at my husband touching me and in doing that I always end up enjoying myself anyway. Not to mention practice really does make perfect. And I end up with a happy husband who is satisfied and thinks the world revolves around me. Yeah I wouldn’t trade that for a sexless marriage anyday.

  15. If my husband were to die without an heir, does his brother have the right to deny consent to sex with me? Under Levirate marriage he owes me a child. Are there any ethical restrictions on how I get my due?

  16. Crystal,

    Thanks for you gracious comments. This article was not written from the point of view of how a woman should view sex, as you have elaborated that view so well. It was written from the point of view of many emails I have received from men, as well as comments from men on other marriage forums I have read. It was written from the point of view of a husband who has tried to love his wife, is trying to be as considerate as possible, but she is steeped in stubbornness and either believes her husband must earn every sexual encounter or she just thinks sex is not that important and it should only happen when she is in the mood. When I finish this series on “How to be a godly husband”(and there is more than sex in this series I promise) I will be doing a “How to be a godly wife” series that approaches this from the woman’s point of view.

  17. Connie,

    As I said in my post, if there are actual mental or physical health conditions then you husband if he were acting in a loving and Christlike manner should never have done such as thing as kicking you ought because you were truly ill and could not have any kind of sexual relations. It would be one thing if you just decided, OK, I have this or that physical problem, and we are not going to have sex anymore – that would not be right. But because of some short periods when you were sick he did this – that was completely wrong. I am sorry to hear he did that.

  18. Xenologer,

    This is a good question.

    First of all, we are no longer under the law of Levirate marriage. This and much of the Pentateuch(or Torah as Jews call it the first five books of the Bible) was given to Israel as laws to govern a theocracy, although some of the moral law of the Pentateuch was reinstated in the New Testament Law of Christ. What that means is, we can choose to follow certain laws and traditions of the Pentateuch still, but we are not bound to them. Examples in the Pentateuch show us acceptable behavior, but we are not bound by that example.

    For instance, the Pentateuch regulates and allows slavery but that does not mean we in modern times are wrong to outlaw slavery. God never tells in the New Testament that we must allow slavery to be legal, but he does tell us where it is legal slaves are to obey their masters.

    But when it comes to marriage, the New Testament carries forward the principles of marriage from the Old Testament when I Peter 3:1 & 5-6 states “Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands…For in the past, the holy women who put their hope in God also beautified themselves in this way, submitting to their own husbands, just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord.”

    This tells us that the headship of man over woman, the fact that a woman is to serve and obey her husband, is part of the unchanging moral law of God for this time and world. When we get to heaven, then marriage will be no more as Christ told us in the Gospels.

    But I still want to answer your question on Levirate marriage, if you lived back in Old Testament times under the Pentateuch.

    You are correct the he(your brother-in-law) owes you a child, and it would be his duty to first marry you, and then the first son you had would be the heir of your dead husband, and then any subsequent children you bore to him could be his heirs. However he had to choose NOT to take you as his wife, you could shame him as seen in this passage from Deuteronomy 25:5-10:

    “When brothers live on the same property[a] and one of them dies without a son, the wife of the dead man may not marry a stranger outside the family. Her brother-in-law is to take her as his wife, have sexual relations with her, and perform the duty of a brother-in-law for her. The first son she bears will carry on the name of the dead brother, so his name will not be blotted out from Israel. But if the man doesn’t want to marry his sister-in-law, she must go to the elders at the city gate and say, ‘My brother-in-law refuses to preserve his brother’s name in Israel. He isn’t willing to perform the duty of a brother-in-law for me.’ The elders of his city will summon him and speak with him. If he persists and says, ‘I don’t want to marry her,’ 9 then his sister-in-law will go up to him in the sight of the elders, remove his sandal from his foot, and spit in his face. Then she will declare, ‘This is what is done to a man who will not build up his brother’s house.’ And his family name in Israel will be called ‘The house of the man whose sandal was removed.’”

    So yes there were “ethical restrictions” on how you could get your due, if he chose not to marry you, you could shame him, but you could not force him to marry you. If he did marry you, then he would be required to have sex with you, otherwise he would have to free you.

  19. Wait, I think I’m missing a step. It was okay that we outlawed slavery? What would God rather we do with men we conquer and their wives and daughters? Is there some alternate suggestion for conquered unbelievers?

  20. Xenologer,

    We are not the nation of Israel, we are the Church of God. God merged the remnant of faithful Jewish believers together with Unbelievers to for a new body – the Church. Unlike what the Crusaders thought, we are not called to conquer the unbelievers militarily like Israel was called to do.

  21. Where does it say that?

  22. “So then, remember that at one time you were Gentiles in the flesh—called “the uncircumcised” by those called “the circumcised,” which is done in the flesh by human hands. 12 At that time you were without the Messiah, excluded from the citizenship of Israel, and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus, you who were far away have been brought near by the blood of the Messiah. 14 For He is our peace, who made both groups one and tore down the dividing wall of hostility. In His flesh, 15 He made of no effect the law consisting of commands and expressed in regulations, so that He might create in Himself one new man from the two, resulting in peace. 16 He did this so that He might reconcile both to God in one body through the cross and put the hostility to death by it. 17 When the Messiah came, He proclaimed the good news of peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with the saints, and members of God’s household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone. 21 The whole building, being put together by Him, grows into a holy sanctuary in the Lord. 22 You also are being built together for God’s dwelling in the Spirit.” – Ephesians 2:11-22

  23. So where are our slaves supposed to come from? For example, if a man wanted to own a woman… but didn’t believe that Jesus condoned any violence… where would he get her? Does he have to marry her or father her to own her?

    Also, where did Christians get the idea that unbelievers should be killed? I seem to remember Peter at least saying something to that effect (I mean, Peter WOULD, because Peter, but still). Also David is well spoken-of in the New Testament, isn’t he? Because he was a terrifying agent of war; pretty sure he straight-up baked people in ovens. I have a hard time figuring out which of David’s deeds are things we should be emulating in 2015, because I don’t recall anything about “except for all the wiping out cities stuff” when he gets mentioned in a positive light.

  24. xenologer
    MAY 19, 2015 AT 6:39 AM

    So where are our slaves supposed to come from? For example, if a man wanted to own a woman… but didn’t believe that Jesus condoned any violence… where would he get her? Does he have to marry her or father her to own her?

    Hi xenologer, I think you are trolling. Having said that, why do you want to own a slave? In western society [and most of the east] there is no official slavery. What do you have in mind?
    This guy wanted slaves and kidnapped 3 girls, it didn’t work out so well, he’s dead now:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/man-charged-with-kidnapping-raping-cleveland-girls/

    Also, where did Christians get the idea that unbelievers should be killed? I seem to remember Peter at least saying something to that effect (I mean, Peter WOULD, because Peter, but still).

    2Thess. 1:8
    when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

    Also David is well spoken-of in the New Testament, isn’t he? Because he was a terrifying agent of war; pretty sure he straight-up baked people in ovens. I have a hard time figuring out which of David’s deeds are things we should be emulating in 2015, because I don’t recall anything about “except for all the wiping out cities stuff” when he gets mentioned in a positive light.

    David served God’s purposes.
    It may seem harsh but God’s judgements and mercies are extreme. His goodness is better than we think, and His punishments are worse than we fear. He is our creator, you must believe that. We will all answer to God in the end.

  25. I have a lot of questions/issues with this post, but I need to organise my thoughts in a way that makes sense before I post. One thought that came right away was, –Are these men making sure sex is enjoyable for their wives? I can see being tired sometimes and not feeling well, but if it is a mutually enjoyable experience there might be less rejection (or rain checks). Making it a chore or a duty, while (I guess ) be better than nothing, will not bring you together as much as wanting too. Maybe you could address the issue of men seeing to their wives sexual satisfaction.

  26. So can a husband divorce his wife if she never has sex with him & has said she will never have sex with him again?

  27. Great article. But what if the shoe was on the opposite foot between Christian couples? I have been The one who wants to have sex and my husband has little to no interest and has been that way since we married. We were abstinent before we got married and yet even four years after marriage there is very little sex if any. In 2014 we had sex One time on our anniversary – two times this year so far only because I make an issue out of it which I don’t like doing. He’s been to the doctor and his testosterone was low and that was two years ago – since then he’s been on testosterone therapy, injections that I give him weekly and his testosterone hasbeen normal for two years yet he still has no desire whatsoever. I was not a heavy person but I still lost 21 pounds just in case he might prefer a slimmer me instead of 170 pound me at 5 foot nine. I don’t know what to do. Nothing I’ve tried helps. Nothing I do makes him hungry for sex with me. I feel like my only option is to stay in marriage this way and try to be happy, or I can divorce him and hopefully find a man who will love me as a husband should

  28. Ellie,

    I agree men ought to make sex as enjoyable as possible for their wives. In fact this what I believe most men want, they want a mutually enjoyable time – this is sex at the very best it can be.

    I also agree that the reason some women might not want to have sex as often is because the husband is a selfish lover cares nothing for how his wife wants to be touched, and never tries to talk to her about what he could do better.

    I actually have in the works, a post on “sexual communication” coming up in the near future, and I will have more talking about how men can please their wives in the bedroom.

    But my main premise is, and I stand by it – that sex is first a duty and obligation in marriage, and then secondly about feelings. This post is written primarily from the viewpoint of the many emails I get from husbands that have tried in every way to earn sex with their wives, but to little or no avail. But I do get plenty of emails from women who this problem with their husbands(not nearly as many as from men) but I do get them. In either case, good sex starts with both spouses humbling themselves before God, and realizing that he has given their bodies to one another. It starts with a duty and a commitment to God, and then our spouse.

    Also this post, and the previous ones are primarily aimed that the chronic sexual refusing wife. These are women that no matter what that man does for them, no matter how much he talks to her, what he buys for her, how much house work he does, she simply does not think sex is that important and she would like him to adopt her stance on that. In fact often times these types of chronic refusing women are very happy with their marriages as they are – the only problem they have is this “pesky issue of him wanting more sex” – if that would go away they would have the perfect marriage.

    We also have to realize that when a woman initiates sex with her husband and he turns her down(aside from some medical condition, or temporary mental condition), it is him being selfish not her. It is the same when a woman turns her husband down without a legitimate physical or mental reason.

    What most people have missed who attack the Biblical notion of sex as a duty is – I am not saying emotion connection is not a good thing before sex, but in Biblical marriage, it is not a requirement. It is wonderful, it makes the sex so much better and I believe that most people want that. But there will be many times in a marriage where that emotional connection does not always come before sex, but it may come after sex.

    Also as I have stated several times on this site, “your husband is not your girlfriend”. What that means is while some men are capable of connecting with their wives at the same emotional level as their wives girlfriends, many men are not. It is just one of the many ways God made men different from women. So if a woman is reading romance novels waiting for her husband to come in on a white horse, spouting poetry and connecting with her as women connect to women before she will have sex with him, she may end up destroying their sex life in that marriage.

    I actually wrote an article about “lighting your spouses fire” last year – in it I said:

    “An astute observer who knows the Scriptures well might point out a key issue here. Wives are commanded to respect their husbands in the Scriptures. Wives are also commanded to have sex with their husbands in the Scripture.

    So in essence this answers the age old question about sex and romance – it is the chicken and egg question. Which comes first, sex or romance? Since sex is required, and romance is not this tells us which one comes first.

    Ladies – most men are simple creatures, you show a man respect, and give him the gift of your body that God has blessed him with, and most men will crawl over hot coals to show you how much they love you. It really is that simple.”

    See this post and another I wrote on sex in marriage:
    https://biblicalgenderroles.com/2015/02/10/the-7-reasons-why-god-made-sex/
    https://biblicalgenderroles.com/2014/11/28/what-things-light-your-spouses-fire/

  29. I would think they would. Unless something is physically or mentally wrong with him a husband cannot refuse his wife is any form or fashion be in her needs for sex or companionship just as she can’t refuse his.

  30. My question is concerning pregnancy pains as an excuse to refuse sex. I’m pregnant with my second child and this pregnancy like the first has my libido almost gone completely again. My moods towards my husband wax and wane to the point that I don’t know what actually feel for or about him at times.
    I’ve denied my husband sex for almost 9 days now the longest was almost 2 months with our first baby, but it is only because of the physical pain I feel afterwards and during the act that keeps me from performing as well as sometimes the nausea of just thinking about all the rocking and movement involved with that act that sometimes gets me no matter what the position we try.
    He asked me just last night whether or not I even still found him attractive and used his sympathy weight gain as the primary reason as to why I won’t go near him willingly anymore. I explained that it wasn’t as best as I could but he didn’t seem to believe me. What am I supposed to do? How can I overcome this and enjoy sex with my husband again like we did when I wasn’t pregnant?

  31. I would like to begin by stating that I find it appalling that anyone in a modern society would believe this way. Next I would like to ask a couple of questions. Here is a hypothetical one. What if a husband and wife who have been married for a while get into a car accident. The husband survives with no injuries, but the wife is left mentally impaired. She is still able to speak and move, but is very limited, with the intelligence level of a child. Would it be okay for the husband to have sex with her, since it would be a bit difficult to tell if she is yielding to his advances or not? My next question refers to the biblical verses you use as references and validations for your horribly sexist and terrifying beliefs. You use verses that refer to women as property, and men who owned concubines and essentially sex slaves. How is it that you can condemn that behavior, but still try to use those verses as validations? What gives you the authority to pick and choose which parts of the bible to follow and which parts to disregard because they are outdated and barbaric?

  32. Annita,

    Your feelings during pregnancy are completely normal, some women experience a libido boost during pregnancy, and others have their libido go in the tank. And feeling nausea all the time would just make matters worse. What you describe are legitimate health reasons for asking your husband for a delay in having sexual intercourse. After you have the baby he will need to wait 8 weeks as well. But the truth is – you don’t have to have intercourse with your husband to help him. If nausea is a problem, and if you having painful intercourse, the perhaps manually helping would be an option? Also have you tried any anti-nausea medications? if it is painful intercourse, but you can overcome the nausea with medication then perhaps oral sex might be an option?

    Please consult you doctor before taking any medications(including the anti-nausea) as you are pregnant. Your doctor may be able to give you some other ideas to help with nausea as well.

  33. Kellie,

    The Bible is clear that while the husband wife have different roles, they are to have equal access to each others bodies.

    “A wife does not have the right over her own body, but her husband does. In the same way, a husband does not have the right over his own body, but his wife does. Do not deprive one another sexually—except when you agree for a time, to devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again; otherwise, Satan may tempt you because of your lack of self-control.” – I Corinthians 7:4-5(HCSB)

    Are you initiating sex? Our Pastor recently gave us married couples a great book to read called “The Gift of Sex”, while I don’t agree with everything in it, it does have a lot of great sex advice for Christians. In it the author talks about women who have complained about not having much sex with their husbands, and he always asks “are intiating it?” and many women say “no”, they are just expecting their husbands to do initiate.

    If this has been an ongoing problem for a long time, and you have tried counseling(or he refuses counseling) and you are initiating and he flatly continues to refuse you then I believe you do have the right to divorce him, as it is a breach of the marriage covenant where he gave his body to you, as you gave your body to him.

    “If he takes an additional wife, he must not reduce the food, clothing, or marital rights of the first wife. And if he does not do these three things for her, she may leave free of charge, without any exchange of money.” – Exodus 21:10-11(HCSB)

    God says if a man does not provide food, clothing and sex to his wife she is free to go. Again I do not offer this advice lightly, and I hope you will have tried for a long time before you take this drastic final step. Realize also that many Christians while allowing for divorce on grounds of infidelity, abuse, or abandonment do not believe in divorce for sexual abandonment, which may or may not be the case in your marriage. Pray really hard for a while before you come to a decision.

  34. Jennifer,

    I believe a husband needs to fight for his marriage as the head of his home. That means counseling. Seeking help from his Pastor. When all options have been exhausted and she remains defiant, then yes I believe divorce is an option.

    “But I tell you, everyone who divorces his wife, except in a case of sexual immorality, causes her to commit adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.” Matthew 5:32 (HCSB)

    The phrase rendered as “sexual immorality”, used to be rendered as “fornication”. But it literally does no mean – sexual sin, it can mean premarital sex, adultery, homosexual sex, incest, prostitution..ect. I believe it can also be “sexually immoral” to deny a key component of marriage – which is sex. Can any argue that it is not sexually immoral to deny your spouse the right of sex?

  35. My issue is that you said, “there is no such thing as marital rape”. So if a man drugs his wife and then has sex with her while she’s unconscious, that’s not rape? If a wife says “no” and a man decides she’s just faking not feeling well and pushes her into sex anyway, that’s not rape? If a man violently forces sex on his wife, that’s not rape? I’d argue that it is. And I fear that by throwing out there the statement that “there is no marital rape”, you are both enabling men who might take this as license to force their wife, by either physical or verbal coersion, to give them sex, or you are silencing women who are being legitimately sexually abused by their husbands and now believe that there is no help for them because the Bible says they cannot be raped. (I realize you are not advocating physical force, but there are people who DO commit the acts I mentioned above and would just LOVE a biblical excuse to do it.)

  36. I do agree with many things you said and understand. However, I don’t feel it’s a good idea for the husband to have sex with his wife if she is obviously not in the mood. The wife will resent her husband afterwards for being “selfish”. I agree with what you said about how she needs to be humble and ask for a raincheck. For me personally, if my husband has barely paid any attention to me all day and then wants sex all of a sudden…it’s not happening. It’s not because I feel he should earn his right to have sex, it’s because as a woman, I crave intimacy. I want an emotional AND physical connection. I want to feel loved all the time…not just when we are having sex.

  37. My husband and I sleep in seperate rooms, not because we don’t love each other, but from disagreeing sleep behaviors. He snores like a beast and sometimes can have violent dreams. He accidently hit me a few times. When I told him he was horrified. We cuddle and stuff, but go our seprate ways at bedtime. Maybe she didn’t want to embarass him. Anyways, something to think about.

  38. Rebecca,

    What you have mentioned is a perfectly valid reason for couples to sleep in separate beds. My grandfather used to do the same thing to my grandmother(and that is why they moves to separate rooms), accidentally hitting her all the time as she slept. But I would guess from his comments(and I have not heard back from him, even via email) that there is more to it than that. But I think you and I would agree that does not mean their sex life has to end, or they cannot do as you your hubby do cuddling up with one another.

  39. Sarah,

    I have received literally hundreds of comments from people accusing of me of advocating rape. I am choosing your comment to respond to out of all them, because I sense in the tone a genuine concern that someone might use what I have said here to justify abuse, and you have done so in a respectful manner(unlike 95% of comments I have received).

    Have said all that – People can take what I write(which is just my own human opinion and understanding of the Bible), or they can actually take the Bible itself and use it to justify abusive behavior, or behavior that God never intended.

    For instance I could talk about how I believe the Scriptures support spanking of children as a form of discipline. Now there are parents who will go and abuse that teaching and truly abuse their children, beating them and knocking their teeth out, while other parents will just give their kids a few firm swats on the behind as they should(in my understanding of the Scriptures). I would not stop teaching about spanking kids just because some people would abuse that teaching and take where it was never meant to go.

    It is the same thing with this post. This post is not meant to encourage men to physically force themselves upon their wives. However I do not believe it is wrong to point out to a Christian wife that her sexual denial(if it for selfish reasons) is a sin against God and her marriage. If that gets her to give in, there is no wrong committed. I don’t even think it wrong to convince her using other means(not physical and not verbal) and I will get into those in my next post. It may take a while for her to have the right attitude with the right actions, but it starts with the right actions. Ideally no man(myself included) who loves his wife wants to have sex with her when she does so grudgingly – I made that point in this blog post. But there will be some times when sex is given by the wife grudgingly, and I maintain my assertion that it is not sinful for a man to take it, even if given grudgingly.

    But is it wrong for man to force himself, even on a rebellious wife? I believe the answer is yes. But I don’t call it rape. From a biblical perspective, rape is when a man forces a woman who is not his(not his wife, not his concubine) to have sex with him. So yes, if a man were to physically force himself upon his wife I would condemn that action, but it is not rape. I totally get that does not match our dictionary definition of rape, but I prefer to stick to the Bible’s definition of rape(and incidentally marriage).

  40. Jessica,

    I agree that as a woman it could cause some animosity if the only time your husband was nice to you, or paid attention to you was for sex – something that unfortunately many husbands do(some not intentionally). I appreciate the fact that you don’t believe your husband has to earn sex with with you. I also understand that if he has been nasty to you all day and then comes asking for sex that would seem unfair to you. But as a Christian we believe that two wrongs never make a right. What that means is, just because your husband has not done everything he should towards you, that does not mean a wife can just deny him sexually(at least not from a Christian perspective).

    As I pointed out in my post, sometimes husbands need to cool their testosterone jets and just talk with their wives and connect first, in fact I would say that this is the way it should be most of the time. But there will be times when a man is stressed, that all he wants to do is lay with his wife(in the Biblical sense) and women need to understand that. I think both men and women need to see sex from the others perspective.

    But I can say from my own experience with my wife, that sometimes when she has grudgingly yielded(agreed to sex, even when not in the mood), she comes to enjoy during it, and we cuddle and talk afterwards.

  41. Rarereality,

    I reconsidered my deletion of some of your comments and will try and answer some of your questions.

    First of all I have a limited amount of time to do this as I do have a job that actually pays the bills(unlike this one). So you need to understand that I will probably focus the majority of my energy not in defending what I believe is right to those who disagree, but rather on those seeking help or advice on various issues of marriage. I only claim I believe in the perfection of the Bible, not in my own advice(and my views have changed on various things over the years). This site started off my own personal studies and thoughts and has over time grown into something much larger, touching the hearts of thousands that viewed it or sent me comments or emails. I would also ask for your patience in my responses, and also keep in mind I may think a question is out in left field or disrespectful and not worthy of a response and just delete it. You are welcome to have your own blog where you can feel free to tare apart anything I write, but I feel under no obligation to answer every question or comment sent my way as I have neither the time nor energy to do so, and I have to choose where I will focus my energy.

    As to your questions.

    If a wife were injured cognitively in some sort of accident where she had the mind of child and could not understand sex or consent to it, then no a husband ought not to do that. That is a legitimate health reason for him not exercise his right of sex with his wife, that is a perfect example of him sacrificially loving his wife and putting her needs above his own. There is no sin on her part, she cannot help her state.

    OK for my next answer you may need to be sitting down.

    I have never on this site condemned men for having concubines. A concubine was a slave woman, that a man took as his wife. She did not have all the rights of a free woman, but she did have to be treated as a wife(and as daughter by her husband’s father). The Bible, neither OT or NT condemns slavery, or the concept of human property – that one person can own another. It does condemn “man stealing”, or kidnapping someone and making them your slave. The Bible allowed for slaves to be taken either as captives from war, or they could be bought from other nations. For fellow Israelites men, they could be sold into endured servitude, but men had to be released after a certain amount of time. A master could not just have casual sex with his female servants, he had to make them a wife and give them the marital rights of a wife in order to lay with them, and he had to provide for them and their children.

    I know you next question so I will answer it – do I think the slavery in the United States was right or that U.S. Laws against slavery are wrong?
    I believe the slavery of the United States was wrong on several fronts. First the slaves were all kidnapped from Africa by slave traders(man stealing). Secondly, they were treated as animals, not as human beings. If you were to bring an a man like Abraham who owned many slaves and show him how Americans treated their slaves he would have been appalled by such cruelty. The Bible had strict rules that if you caused any serious harm to you slaves you had to set them free. In the New Testament Paul tells Masters to treat their slaves kindly as they all had a heavenly master in heaven looking over them all.

    Do I think anti-slave laws in the U.S. are wrong? – no I do not think they are wrong. The Bible never told the Israelites, or Christians that they had to have slaves – it simply told them they could under certain conditions and they had to treat their “human property” with respect, they could not just do anything they wanted with their slaves. There are many areas of the Bible that I don’t full understand, but if God allows something, I will never condemn it.

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    I saw this on Facebook today and I just wanted to give my perspective.
    I am 64 years old, married 46 years to my high school sweet heart. We are both Bible believing Christians. She is the love of my life.

    When we were younger, after about 6 years of marriage and having 3 kids she started turning me down for sex a lot. There were some stress issues and other things, and I talked to her and I tried to help her where I could to no avail. It was not that she completely stopped having sex with me, it was just that it became very little, like once or twice a month. I told her what that I believed that a man and woman ought to be having regular relations every week – just like we go to church every Sunday. A week should not go by that a husband and wife don’t have relations – call me old fashion – but that is what I believe and that is what I see in my Bible.

    My wife was a stay at home mom and did not work outside the home. I used to give her spending money every week – you know what I did? I took it away. She liked to go bowling with her lady friends, and guess what – she no longer had money for that or other things she like to do. It only took her a few weeks of stubbornness to turn around and we never had problems in the bedroom again. I have never in 46 years of marriage ever raised a hand to my wife and I never would. But there are other ways a man can get through to his wife when she is being stubborn.

    Now the roles are reversed – I had prostate cancer about 10 years ago and after that had problems with getting erections. My wife’s sex drive has actually gone up in her old age and she likes to do something at least once a week, where I could do something twice a month and be fine. After all, every time we go to do something I have to use a pump(saving the money for that surgery to put the pump inside). I also have horrible arthritis and back pain from an injury I had 20 years ago. So guess what, it takes work for us to have sex, and yes every time we have sex my back hurts the whole time, it does not matter what position we use.

    But just as this young man who wrote this post said – my body belongs to my wife, and her body belongs to me. No husband should turn down his wife, and no wife should turn down her husband. And don’t give me this whole “it hurts”, “I don’t feel like it”, “he ain’t been nice enough to me”, “he has to put me in the mood first” garbage. Young women and men today are both sissies, life is tough – deal with and do what is right before God, and what is right for your marriage.

  43. PREACH!

  44. I completely agree.

  45. My husband and I have been together for almost 12 years and going on 5 years of marriage. We have two children together and one on the way. Like most marriages we’ve had many highs and lows. I grew up in a stronger Christian home then he has so our views and beliefs are different on certain things. I am still learning everyday about God’s word especially about the marriage between both man and woman…and I have to be honest I find so things apalling which leave me astonished and confused about if I was ready to be married…marriage is alot of work and the roles of a wife as per the bible I’m having a hard time accepting it for what it is….for example im expecting now and my sexual drive…well I have none…I am not interested in have sex at all….it’s been this way for all my pregnancies. My husband has respect the way I feel. But when I read blogs like this including with scripture it’s almost as if I’m wrong but physically I cannot help it.

  46. Diane,

    Pregnancy can be very difficult for many women – I have children and I saw the various issues my wife experienced during her pregnancies. I made it clear in these posts that if a woman has legitimate health issues(and issues with pregnancy would be a health issue), then of course her husband ought to be understanding of this.

    However I think you would be hard pressed to find a conservative Bible preaching church, where if you were to privately interview with the Pastor and his wife, that they would say it is OK for you make your husband go the entire 9 months, then the follow up 8 weeks post delivery(where no intercourse is to occur) – so basically almost an entire year without sex.

    Some might say “well what about when men who are in the military” – they may be gone almost a year. Here is my response to that – the military is a HUGE exception to the sexual needs clause, as it is a necessity for the defense of a nation. Also when a man and woman marry, knowing he is in the military, they have consented to this situation, else they should have never married. But in the case of a pregnancy, and the post pregnancy, where this situation lasts almost a year, the husband is right there with his wife. He can see her beauty every day, he can feel her touch every day, he sleeps next to her in bed every night, and I can imagine nothing more cruel than if a wife were to deny her husband any type of sexual relief for almost a year(manual or oral) I am not saying you are doing this. Maybe you are just turning him down for brief periods during your pregnancy.

    Some might say “Can’t he just give himself relief through masturbation?” – to that I would yes there is no Biblical prohibition against that. But there is no connection to his wife when takes care of himself, a couple needs to interact sexually together, for the health of the relationship.

    Can you clarify how long you make him go during your pregnancies?

  47. i have thoroughly enjoyed this series! I totally agree from a biblical spiritual standpoint. As a woman I will say that there is something very liberating and fulfilling in learning your place in Christ and within your marriage. There is a great satisfaction and pleasure found in truly fully submitting to your husband in every aspect who has first and foremost submitted himself to Christ. It is a duty as well as a pleasure to satisfy your husband regardless of whether you are tired or “in the mood”. God blessed you with the gift of a God fearing husband and with that amazing blessing comes great responsibility, he fully expects us to respect, cherish, and take care of the gift in which we have been given. There are very few legitimate reasons to ask your husband for a rain check and as loving Christian wives we should desire to please our husbands but even more so please Christ by fulfilling what he has required of us. The liberation that is found in truly submitting and respecting ones husband is nothing short of amazing, and with that love and respect you will find that you have a loving husband who in turn respects you and you will have a strong marriage. God designed us as women to be submissive unto our husbands and it truly is a beautiful thing that I view as a great privilege! If we put Christ first and then our husbands second followed by our children and so on, then we find ourselves with a much happier, fulfilling, and blessed life! Our husbands were given great responsibilities by Christ as the leaders of households and we should respect and embrace them and support them in every way as long as they are following Christ. That as why we are supposed to be their helpmates. Trust me learning our place and submitting to our husbands is a blessing it is not this curse of men trying to be dictators and treat us like dogs or children as a lot of today’s society and feminist are trying to teach. No I am not some old prude as many would assume but rather I am a 28 year old lady who takes great pleasure in pursuing to live the life that God created me for, and that is incredibly fulfilling. If God did not intend for us to submit and be under the authority of our husbands he would have never instructed us to do so in his word. God Bless!!!

  48. Ashley,

    Women like you, and other women in our churches need to be lifted up as shining of examples of those who not only embrace God’s design for men and women, but you have found joy in it. You are so right that submission, is not simply for women, it is for all of us. It right for children to submit to both their mother and father, it is right for husbands to submit themselves first to God, then to their Church leaders and Civil leaders. We all, both men and women must recognize authority in our lives, only by recognizing proper authority can we find true peace and joy.

    Thank you so much for your comments.

  49. I actually came across your article by someone posting it on Facebook talking about how insane it was for people to believe in such “garbage” and treat women this way in this day and age…however once I read the first article I had to read the whole series. Once I did, I wholeheartedly agree with your opinions and the scriptures from which they were formed. So, I shared each article as I read them and encouraged others to read them and most everyone disagrees, but I stand firm on the fact that it is true and biblical! Thank you so much for sharing and I look forward to reading more as you post!

  50. Thank you for continuing to post this on Facebook with a positive position. Believe it or not since I started this series I have had almost 300,000 visitors and while the non-Christian and liberal Christians absolutely hate it, I have had many contact me privately(for fear of be attacked as I am) saying they are glad I am discussing these issues. We have a society that has declared war on marriage and the family as God defines it, we see it in the news everyday with Christians being attacked for believing things that Christians have believed for 2000 years!

    Thanks for your support.

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